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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Citizen#Controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Citizen#Controversy Wow, the timeline is an horror story. I don't un

by jokoon 8y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Citizen#Controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Citizen#Controversy Wow, the timeline is an horror story. I don't understand the appeal of space opera games like this. They will mostly be empty zones of players. I also have ideas to make an ambitious video game, with persistence and an open world. But I would rather start small and humble by releasing something that is playable, add cool features as the development progresses, but still providing basic features and playability at first, that would be slowly replaced by the more advanced features of the game. Making a game attractive quickly from the beginning is important, especially if you're using the crowdfunding model. Today it's possible to have a continuous evolution of a game, to constantly change and improve it. The hardest will always be to track player locations in realtime, on a large world, while keeping the game smooth enough. Once that is done, the sky is the limit. I don't understand why so many games focus on the content (because that can be an real time and money sink), while the only things that are attractive for such games are the gameplay and the multiplayer.

erikpukinskis 8y ago
> They will mostly be empty zones of players. They plan to have a complete Sims-like ecology of NPCs, and players will fit into that.
- Krasnol 8y ago
  Yeah, they plan to have hundreds of systems. Now they have one planet and a few moons and not even that is finished. What is the time frame here? Decades? I mean seriously, why is anyone believing this?
  - dabeledo 8y ago
    I don't follow the development of this game but I can imagine they have plans to allow user-generated content to be added to the game through some kind of system. And if they don't have plans, they should.
    - Krasnol 8y ago
      They have a plan for users to buy content. And yes, you can buy news-ships for some game mechanic that is not even in pre-alpha. The only time there was talk about user-generated content was when they had a "design a ship"-contest. Designer teams jumped on it, designed a ship that you could visit in the hangar instance but it's gone now...because they needed to rework things there. I wonder what because that ship was never playable....This is SC for you.
  - erikpukinskis 8y ago
    Yes, decades. I expect they will maintain this game forever. I don’t see them dropping it and starting a new property, and I don’t see them releasing a 2.0 universe. They will just keep adding and improving the SC universe as long as people keep buying ships. Actually, I think there’s a 50/50 chance SC becomes one of the first permanent 24/7 habitable VR universes. Where people live and work full time. A full economy, elections, etc. Obviously that’s decades away, but who else is building anything equivalent? Facebook is taking the approach of giving us mini VR apps, and hoping a universe will evolve from that. Cloud Imperium is taking the opposite direction, building a “Sim Universe” first and adding “apps” as needed. I’m not sure which is the better approach... which is harder, building a fully fleshed out simulated universe or building out the killer apps of VR interaction? Actually I think they’re probably about equally hard, and each side will just copy what the other did to complete the picture. But CI and FB are both well positioned to capture a slice of the fulltime VR market when it emerges in the late 2020s.
    - Krasnol 8y ago
      I'll eat a sock if this mess becomes anything even close to what you expect it to be. Considering the rumors that they've used up over 90% of the money last year already, I can't imagine what this company will become in a few years. > I’m not sure which is the better approach... Really? How about a stable foundation for something like a permanent universe? How about a management that is capable and how about a serious, viable business model? Instead the business model is the worse of the new lootbox-generation of games, the management is a highly questionable dictator with a terrible history of managing teams and his wife. The foundation never was properly stable for anything of the scale it is in now. Not even speaking about a functioning MMO. And of course there is no native support for VR there...it may come...like female characters... I mean man, come on... The visions some people have of this game are so far away from justified, it has all the signs of a unhealthy cult. FYI: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7SIP0NDfM2yyHKfRmCAociCcJKZHHY0E https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7SIP0NDfM2yyHKfRmCAo...
      - toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
        Remember how the same kind of runaway imagination ended with the release of No Man’s Sky? If I were at CIG, I’d be really worried about the psychotic hate that could come my way when this all collapses, or just fails to meet the incredibly overblown expectations of fans, nurtured by CIG itself.

by jokoon 8y ago

erikpukinskis 8y ago

> They will mostly be empty zones of players. They plan to have a complete Sims-like ecology of NPCs, and players will fit into that.

Krasnol 8y ago
Yeah, they plan to have hundreds of systems. Now they have one planet and a few moons and not even that is finished. What is the time frame here? Decades? I mean seriously, why is anyone believing this?
- dabeledo 8y ago
  I don't follow the development of this game but I can imagine they have plans to allow user-generated content to be added to the game through some kind of system. And if they don't have plans, they should.
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    They have a plan for users to buy content. And yes, you can buy news-ships for some game mechanic that is not even in pre-alpha. The only time there was talk about user-generated content was when they had a "design a ship"-contest. Designer teams jumped on it, designed a ship that you could visit in the hangar instance but it's gone now...because they needed to rework things there. I wonder what because that ship was never playable....This is SC for you.
- erikpukinskis 8y ago
  Yes, decades. I expect they will maintain this game forever. I don’t see them dropping it and starting a new property, and I don’t see them releasing a 2.0 universe. They will just keep adding and improving the SC universe as long as people keep buying ships. Actually, I think there’s a 50/50 chance SC becomes one of the first permanent 24/7 habitable VR universes. Where people live and work full time. A full economy, elections, etc. Obviously that’s decades away, but who else is building anything equivalent? Facebook is taking the approach of giving us mini VR apps, and hoping a universe will evolve from that. Cloud Imperium is taking the opposite direction, building a “Sim Universe” first and adding “apps” as needed. I’m not sure which is the better approach... which is harder, building a fully fleshed out simulated universe or building out the killer apps of VR interaction? Actually I think they’re probably about equally hard, and each side will just copy what the other did to complete the picture. But CI and FB are both well positioned to capture a slice of the fulltime VR market when it emerges in the late 2020s.
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    I'll eat a sock if this mess becomes anything even close to what you expect it to be. Considering the rumors that they've used up over 90% of the money last year already, I can't imagine what this company will become in a few years. > I’m not sure which is the better approach... Really? How about a stable foundation for something like a permanent universe? How about a management that is capable and how about a serious, viable business model? Instead the business model is the worse of the new lootbox-generation of games, the management is a highly questionable dictator with a terrible history of managing teams and his wife. The foundation never was properly stable for anything of the scale it is in now. Not even speaking about a functioning MMO. And of course there is no native support for VR there...it may come...like female characters... I mean man, come on... The visions some people have of this game are so far away from justified, it has all the signs of a unhealthy cult. FYI: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7SIP0NDfM2yyHKfRmCAociCcJKZHHY0E https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7SIP0NDfM2yyHKfRmCAo...
    - toufiqbarhamov 8y ago
      Remember how the same kind of runaway imagination ended with the release of No Man’s Sky? If I were at CIG, I’d be really worried about the psychotic hate that could come my way when this all collapses, or just fails to meet the incredibly overblown expectations of fans, nurtured by CIG itself.