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This is rewarding bad behavior. The offspring should be conditioned to awaken themselves by having an unpleasant experience occur when they don't awaken when ex

This is rewarding bad behavior. The offspring should be conditioned to awaken themselves by having an unpleasant experience occur when they don't awaken when expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning

wgerard 8y ago
Missing a final could easily be a life-altering event, so I don't think it really makes sense in this case. As long as it's a rare occurrence, I don't really see the problem here.
garmaine 8y ago
That's a really inefficient way to train good behavior.
- sys_64738 8y ago
  The alternative is every one gets a gold star for waking up on time.
  - garmaine 8y ago
    Lol, no. This is not a dichotomy.
- zaccus 8y ago
  That's why you learn stuff like this before you're in friggin college.
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kulahan 8y ago
Punishment has never been an efficient way of changing behavior. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/feeling-our-way/201401/punishment-doesnt-work https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/feeling-our-way/2014... Nobody wants to avoid the behavior when punishment is introduced, they want to avoid the punishment itself. Typically speaking, this is done by circumventing the punishment, rather than correcting the behavior. Besides, (almost) nobody purposely sleeps through their final - especially not if they take the time to ask someone to be a backup alarm. You'd be advocating for punishment of an accident at that point, which is aggressively useless at best, and sadistic at worst.
krageon 8y ago
I'm pretty sure the consensus is that positive reinforcement, when used consistently and over a long time, can be used without any negative reinforcement and still get the requisite training results. That's leaving aside the fact that negative reinforcement is bad for the relationship with your child and/or pet. Completely on this subject though, I find the behaviour in question here insane. Mostly because adults are supposed to be independent and competent. Of course, not everyone is raised equally. If this works for them, who are we to judge?
EADGBE 8y ago
The offspring wakes up at the time determined or else the offspring gets the hose again.

wgerard 8y ago

Missing a final could easily be a life-altering event, so I don't think it really makes sense in this case. As long as it's a rare occurrence, I don't really see the problem here.

garmaine 8y ago

That's a really inefficient way to train good behavior.

sys_64738 8y ago
The alternative is every one gets a gold star for waking up on time.
- garmaine 8y ago
  Lol, no. This is not a dichotomy.
zaccus 8y ago
That's why you learn stuff like this before you're in friggin college.

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kulahan 8y ago

Punishment has never been an efficient way of changing behavior. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/feeling-our-way/201401/punishment-doesnt-work https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/feeling-our-way/2014... Nobody wants to avoid the behavior when punishment is introduced, they want to avoid the punishment itself. Typically speaking, this is done by circumventing the punishment, rather than correcting the behavior. Besides, (almost) nobody purposely sleeps through their final - especially not if they take the time to ask someone to be a backup alarm. You'd be advocating for punishment of an accident at that point, which is aggressively useless at best, and sadistic at worst.

krageon 8y ago

I'm pretty sure the consensus is that positive reinforcement, when used consistently and over a long time, can be used without any negative reinforcement and still get the requisite training results. That's leaving aside the fact that negative reinforcement is bad for the relationship with your child and/or pet. Completely on this subject though, I find the behaviour in question here insane. Mostly because adults are supposed to be independent and competent. Of course, not everyone is raised equally. If this works for them, who are we to judge?

EADGBE 8y ago

The offspring wakes up at the time determined or else the offspring gets the hose again.