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This is common, or at least, I've definitely had my parents do this for me, and I know my friends have too. The logic is as follows: I need to be up early, my

This is common, or at least, I've definitely had my parents do this for me, and I know my friends have too. The logic is as follows: I need to be up early, my parents always get up early, and my alarm almost always works. If I have both to wake me up, there's a good chance I won't accidentally sleep in.

sys_64738 8y ago
This is rewarding bad behavior. The offspring should be conditioned to awaken themselves by having an unpleasant experience occur when they don't awaken when expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
- wgerard 8y ago
  Missing a final could easily be a life-altering event, so I don't think it really makes sense in this case. As long as it's a rare occurrence, I don't really see the problem here.
- garmaine 8y ago
  That's a really inefficient way to train good behavior.
  - sys_64738 8y ago
    The alternative is every one gets a gold star for waking up on time.
    - garmaine 8y ago
      Lol, no. This is not a dichotomy.
  - zaccus 8y ago
    That's why you learn stuff like this before you're in friggin college.
- deleted 8y ago
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- kulahan 8y ago
  Punishment has never been an efficient way of changing behavior. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/feeling-our-way/201401/punishment-doesnt-work https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/feeling-our-way/2014... Nobody wants to avoid the behavior when punishment is introduced, they want to avoid the punishment itself. Typically speaking, this is done by circumventing the punishment, rather than correcting the behavior. Besides, (almost) nobody purposely sleeps through their final - especially not if they take the time to ask someone to be a backup alarm. You'd be advocating for punishment of an accident at that point, which is aggressively useless at best, and sadistic at worst.
- krageon 8y ago
  I'm pretty sure the consensus is that positive reinforcement, when used consistently and over a long time, can be used without any negative reinforcement and still get the requisite training results. That's leaving aside the fact that negative reinforcement is bad for the relationship with your child and/or pet. Completely on this subject though, I find the behaviour in question here insane. Mostly because adults are supposed to be independent and competent. Of course, not everyone is raised equally. If this works for them, who are we to judge?
- EADGBE 8y ago
  The offspring wakes up at the time determined or else the offspring gets the hose again.
zaccus 8y ago
Everyone gets the logic. It's still pathetic.
beatgammit 8y ago
Just go to bed earlier? I recently decided to wake up earlier (have kids, wanted an hour or so to myself before they woke up), so I started going to get earlier. Instead of an alarm in the morning, I have an alarm at night so I remember to go to bed on time. For something as important as a final, you should be getting a full night's rest. It's just not worth whatever little you can cram in the night before.

sys_64738 8y ago

This is rewarding bad behavior. The offspring should be conditioned to awaken themselves by having an unpleasant experience occur when they don't awaken when expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning

wgerard 8y ago
Missing a final could easily be a life-altering event, so I don't think it really makes sense in this case. As long as it's a rare occurrence, I don't really see the problem here.
garmaine 8y ago
That's a really inefficient way to train good behavior.
- sys_64738 8y ago
  The alternative is every one gets a gold star for waking up on time.
  - garmaine 8y ago
    Lol, no. This is not a dichotomy.
- zaccus 8y ago
  That's why you learn stuff like this before you're in friggin college.
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kulahan 8y ago
Punishment has never been an efficient way of changing behavior. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/feeling-our-way/201401/punishment-doesnt-work https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/feeling-our-way/2014... Nobody wants to avoid the behavior when punishment is introduced, they want to avoid the punishment itself. Typically speaking, this is done by circumventing the punishment, rather than correcting the behavior. Besides, (almost) nobody purposely sleeps through their final - especially not if they take the time to ask someone to be a backup alarm. You'd be advocating for punishment of an accident at that point, which is aggressively useless at best, and sadistic at worst.
krageon 8y ago
I'm pretty sure the consensus is that positive reinforcement, when used consistently and over a long time, can be used without any negative reinforcement and still get the requisite training results. That's leaving aside the fact that negative reinforcement is bad for the relationship with your child and/or pet. Completely on this subject though, I find the behaviour in question here insane. Mostly because adults are supposed to be independent and competent. Of course, not everyone is raised equally. If this works for them, who are we to judge?
EADGBE 8y ago
The offspring wakes up at the time determined or else the offspring gets the hose again.

zaccus 8y ago

Everyone gets the logic. It's still pathetic.

beatgammit 8y ago

Just go to bed earlier? I recently decided to wake up earlier (have kids, wanted an hour or so to myself before they woke up), so I started going to get earlier. Instead of an alarm in the morning, I have an alarm at night so I remember to go to bed on time. For something as important as a final, you should be getting a full night's rest. It's just not worth whatever little you can cram in the night before.