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> No Chinese brand has managed to break into the US market and establish itself as one that Americans will trust. Probably for good reason. My city did a huge
by jonnybgood 8y ago
> No Chinese brand has managed to break into the US market and establish itself as one that Americans will trust.
Probably for good reason. My city did a huge development project for a new rapid transit line that featured electric buses from a Chinese manufacturer. All the infrastructure is complete except the buses were absolute crap and sent back. So we have all this new multimillion dollar development on a main street of the city and no buses.
- LMYahooTFY 8y agoLink?
- seanmcdirmid 8y agoI’m guessing Albuquerque? It was in the news a few weeks ago.
- ams6110 8y agoGP is probably referring to Albuquerque. https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/art-buses-sent-back-to-manufacturer/5160241/ https://www.kob.com/albuquerque-news/art-buses-sent-back-to-...
- zachguo 8y agoReading the news it sounds like it's the city being a dick.
- neuronic 8y agoSource [1] is German, so I realize few people will be able to read this without Google Translate, but I want to post this anyway: The Hamburg public transit organization "Hochbahn" has thoroughly evaluated purchasing electric busses from Chinese manufacturer (BYD - Build Your Dream) which apparently has 400k operating e-busses around the world. Hamburg has several transit lines which serve as frontier for operating novel technologies in actual service while keeping potential negative effects limited. They have actively decided against them, although these busses are available NOW as opposed to future European alternatives. Main reasons really seem to be complete crap standards and general lack of Chinese regard for the European market. [1] https://dialog.hochbahn.de/bus-in-zukunft/warum-wir-nicht-einfach-e-busse-aus-china-kaufen/ https://dialog.hochbahn.de/bus-in-zukunft/warum-wir-nicht-ei... EDIT: Hochbahn recently received their first European E-busses.
- singularity2001 8y ago> recently received their first European E-busses. EvoBus?
- neuronic 8y agoYep.
- bassman9000 8y agocomplete crap standards Care to expand? Euro standards being crap, or manufacturer's? I'd thought that one of the roadblocks for chinese products would be the lack of US/EU certifications.
- neuronic 8y agoApologies for late reply. I have listed the issues for you that Hochbahn has summarised in their public statements. Following points are at the very least not satisfactory, some are almost seen as fraudulent claims from BYD: - Passenger comfort, spacing in the busses, quality of used materials, information systems - No regard or interest for European market and no licenses - Batteries are not sufficient for actual service, listed capacities are not representative of normal use due to variables in traffic, weather, road conditions, driver performance, air conditioning - BYD faces criticism for many issues with their busses such as reported inability to drive up hills - BYD seems to report battery capacity at twice (!) of their practical capacity in every day use - BYD busses have reduced life spans, making their e-busses even more uneconomic These are problems of early/novel e-busses but it effectively leads to the inability to deliver a service at the quality that German customers demand. There is simply no way that anyone will be ok with getting out of a bus into the rain/snow, walking the rest of the track because the battery suddenly ran out earlier than expected.