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This is what excites me about science - the discovery of the previously unknown and the revision of what we previously thought we knew. I wish our education sy

This is what excites me about science - the discovery of the previously unknown and the revision of what we previously thought we knew. I wish our education system promoted this idea - "what we know about science will change in your life time. It's likely that in the future, most of what you're learning today will be outdated. It doesn't mean what we're teaching you is 'wrong,' but rather, it's the best of what we know now. You're about to enter on a glorious adventure of discovery that will not end at graduation. Science is about hypothesis, iteration, and testing...and the discovery of unanticipated results." Instead, what's taught is a static version of reality: What we know today is all that is worth knowing for the rest of your life.

noonespecial 8y ago
In that regard I always admired Eliezer Yudkowsky's idea of working to become "less wrong" as you progress. It kind of sums that up perfectly. We haven't got it all figured out yet, but we're less wrong than we used to be.
- mrob 8y ago
  Or before Yudkowsky, Asimov's idea of "the relativity of wrong": https://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm https://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.ht... "Naturally, the theories we now have might be considered wrong in the simplistic sense of my English Lit correspondent, but in a much truer and subtler sense, they need only be considered incomplete."
  - saadat 8y ago
    That link omits some parts of the essay. Complete version here: http://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html http://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html
21 8y ago
> Science is about hypothesis, iteration, and testing Maybe in the past. Today science is about getting grants, publishing as much as possible even if the paper is trivial or you p-hacked your way to heaven. It's also about finding a niche where there is no competition so that you can build a name for yourself. If any sort of competition appears, quickly run away to a more fertile ground (see the recent article about DeepMind and protein folding)
- zapzupnz 8y ago
  You're talking about science, the industry. I believe the person to whom you responded is talking about science, the school subject.
  - james_s_tayler 8y ago
    Actually it's materially important. To think the politics of science doesn't impact what results come out of the scientific industrial complex is a view sharply divorced from reality. Politics is a deep vein that runs through absolutely everything and it has a big impact and oftentimes it's not obvious what the impact is. Science is as much about the politics of science as it is about an empirical quest to find the truth. Look at the history of Bayes Theorem as a relatively good example. Even in science ideas don't win purely on merit. They require marketing and political support too. Maybe the comment had it's wires crossed a little but still it's a valuable thing for people to keep in mind.
    - wallace_f 8y ago
      Agreed. And politics should always be minimized so we get less of this: >Even in science ideas don't win purely on merit. They require marketing and political support too. Ideally the world would be a meritocratic place, while still offering both sympathy and dignity to the weakest members. Does anyone disagree with that? But still, politics and cheating always weasel their way into power structures of society. And it should be seen as morally reprehensible within science.

noonespecial 8y ago

In that regard I always admired Eliezer Yudkowsky's idea of working to become "less wrong" as you progress. It kind of sums that up perfectly. We haven't got it all figured out yet, but we're less wrong than we used to be.

mrob 8y ago
Or before Yudkowsky, Asimov's idea of "the relativity of wrong": https://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.htm https://chem.tufts.edu/answersinscience/relativityofwrong.ht... "Naturally, the theories we now have might be considered wrong in the simplistic sense of my English Lit correspondent, but in a much truer and subtler sense, they need only be considered incomplete."
- saadat 8y ago
  That link omits some parts of the essay. Complete version here: http://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html http://hermiene.net/essays-trans/relativity_of_wrong.html

21 8y ago

> Science is about hypothesis, iteration, and testing Maybe in the past. Today science is about getting grants, publishing as much as possible even if the paper is trivial or you p-hacked your way to heaven. It's also about finding a niche where there is no competition so that you can build a name for yourself. If any sort of competition appears, quickly run away to a more fertile ground (see the recent article about DeepMind and protein folding)

zapzupnz 8y ago
You're talking about science, the industry. I believe the person to whom you responded is talking about science, the school subject.
- james_s_tayler 8y ago
  Actually it's materially important. To think the politics of science doesn't impact what results come out of the scientific industrial complex is a view sharply divorced from reality. Politics is a deep vein that runs through absolutely everything and it has a big impact and oftentimes it's not obvious what the impact is. Science is as much about the politics of science as it is about an empirical quest to find the truth. Look at the history of Bayes Theorem as a relatively good example. Even in science ideas don't win purely on merit. They require marketing and political support too. Maybe the comment had it's wires crossed a little but still it's a valuable thing for people to keep in mind.
  - wallace_f 8y ago
    Agreed. And politics should always be minimized so we get less of this: >Even in science ideas don't win purely on merit. They require marketing and political support too. Ideally the world would be a meritocratic place, while still offering both sympathy and dignity to the weakest members. Does anyone disagree with that? But still, politics and cheating always weasel their way into power structures of society. And it should be seen as morally reprehensible within science.