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thats horrible! It makes me don't want to go back to China for having a faculty job.

tlb 8y ago
What sort of research do you want to do that you're afraid might result in punishment? Or put another way, what do you think a government agency might see as misconduct that you see as legitimate?
- analog31 8y ago
  I would be concerned about ideologically incorrect research, innocent mistakes, non-research-related activism, working for a disfavored person, being part of a disfavored ethnic group, etc.
- jtd514 8y ago
  You are saying that as if the government is immune to corruption and abuse of power.
  - dgzl 8y ago
    This is my thought Everytime someone defends increasing government power and authority. They always assume the government is going to act in good faith and never use the power in a harmful way. Almost as if they've never read a history book.
- paganel 8y ago
  This is similar to how privacy-conscious people are told that “if you don’t have anything to hide then why are you so concerned about actually hiding things?”.
- marcosdumay 8y ago
  > what do you think a government agency might see as misconduct that you see as legitimate? I'm not the GP, but that one is easy: - Discovering that some drug is ineffective (or worse) when the manufacturer has made party contributions; - Discovering that some public policy does not benefit the population while it benefits some politician; - Any research on a propaganda line with results that are not aligned with the official truths.
  - Farradfahren 8y ago
    In the long run, this usually damages the partycipants. Remember what happened with the sciences in the sowjet union. There where several hoaxes and pseudo science shamans who gained the ear of the upper echelon, ousting there "westernized" opposition. https://slate.com/technology/2013/11/polywater-history-and-science-mistakes-the-u-s-and-ussr-raced-to-create-a-new-form-of-water.html?via=gdpr-consent https://slate.com/technology/2013/11/polywater-history-and-s... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism Maos Great Leap was one big pseudo scientific social experiment, totally discarding any data about the horrifying results and things that didnt work according to plan. The west had this too, but the exchange of staff with every presidents, flushes the shamans and quacks out: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00788r001300090002-8 https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-0... Hitler feared the atomic bomb, he thought it would cause the Weltenbrand. If there is one constant In the long run, clogging the self-repair mechanism of science, disbands the science. So this is basically china sabotaging its own progress, as soon as any quack gains the ruling mens ear. Dictators are not rational beeings, just because there propaganda tells us so.
- RockmanX 8y ago
  you probably never heard of the so called "political flighting" among university professors in China

tlb 8y ago

What sort of research do you want to do that you're afraid might result in punishment? Or put another way, what do you think a government agency might see as misconduct that you see as legitimate?

analog31 8y ago
I would be concerned about ideologically incorrect research, innocent mistakes, non-research-related activism, working for a disfavored person, being part of a disfavored ethnic group, etc.
jtd514 8y ago
You are saying that as if the government is immune to corruption and abuse of power.
- dgzl 8y ago
  This is my thought Everytime someone defends increasing government power and authority. They always assume the government is going to act in good faith and never use the power in a harmful way. Almost as if they've never read a history book.
paganel 8y ago
This is similar to how privacy-conscious people are told that “if you don’t have anything to hide then why are you so concerned about actually hiding things?”.
marcosdumay 8y ago
> what do you think a government agency might see as misconduct that you see as legitimate? I'm not the GP, but that one is easy: - Discovering that some drug is ineffective (or worse) when the manufacturer has made party contributions; - Discovering that some public policy does not benefit the population while it benefits some politician; - Any research on a propaganda line with results that are not aligned with the official truths.
- Farradfahren 8y ago
  In the long run, this usually damages the partycipants. Remember what happened with the sciences in the sowjet union. There where several hoaxes and pseudo science shamans who gained the ear of the upper echelon, ousting there "westernized" opposition. https://slate.com/technology/2013/11/polywater-history-and-science-mistakes-the-u-s-and-ussr-raced-to-create-a-new-form-of-water.html?via=gdpr-consent https://slate.com/technology/2013/11/polywater-history-and-s... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism Maos Great Leap was one big pseudo scientific social experiment, totally discarding any data about the horrifying results and things that didnt work according to plan. The west had this too, but the exchange of staff with every presidents, flushes the shamans and quacks out: https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-00788r001300090002-8 https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp96-0... Hitler feared the atomic bomb, he thought it would cause the Weltenbrand. If there is one constant In the long run, clogging the self-repair mechanism of science, disbands the science. So this is basically china sabotaging its own progress, as soon as any quack gains the ruling mens ear. Dictators are not rational beeings, just because there propaganda tells us so.
RockmanX 8y ago
you probably never heard of the so called "political flighting" among university professors in China