I understand your point, however people complaining about Java are complaining about the language instead of the platform and the platform has evolved to suppor

I understand your point, however people complaining about Java are complaining about the language instead of the platform and the platform has evolved to support multiple languages. Scala, Kotlin, Clojure, Eta (Haskell), JRuby are the ones I care about and they've been flourishing. I'm a pragmatic at heart btw, but pragmatism sometimes leads to ignorance. It's important to see what's available on the other side of the fence without bringing the preconceptions bag with you. Because you can then actually use the metaphorical "best tool for the job". It's what I'm doing myself, or at least trying and .NET is without a doubt evolving in a direction I like. And I can also write entire paragraphs of what's better on .NET, I just don't find the generics reification to be one of those things.