4 ms·

>society will get sharply stratified into the 'watched' and the 'watchers' and the latter will get access to nearly limitless data and power... Don't kid yours

>society will get sharply stratified into the 'watched' and the 'watchers' and the latter will get access to nearly limitless data and power... Don't kid yourself, even the 'watchers' will be 'watched'. The people bringing all these systems together will not be your local yocal Barney Fifes. They will be professional and highly intelligent technical teams whose members have likely studied little other than security and intelligence gathering for their entire professional lives. These are not the type of teams that carelessly leave obvious security holes like that laying around. Taken as a whole, the technologies coming out today will enable surveillance regimes the likes of which even the UK and China never previously would have dared to dream up.

makotech222 8y ago
Yeah, because the CEOs, Politicians, etc... are definitely the people walking around in public spaces or delivering packages or buying stuff from stores.
bsenftner 8y ago
Yeah, except it's not like that. It is much closer to the random collection of anybodies found at any company, just with a tech bent. The idea of these uber specialist is myth. I work in security, at high levels. It's just normal people.
jolmg 8y ago
I think you misunderstood who the watchers are supposed to be. Santosh83 is probably referring to the high risk of the establishment of a police state.
maxxxxx 8y ago
"Taken as a whole, the technologies coming out today will enable surveillance regimes the likes of which even the UK and China never previously would have dared to dream up. " thay's really important. Hitler, Stalin, the Stasi and many others would have been very pleased to have the systems we are building right now. Once a full country surveillance system gets in the hand of a ruthless dictator it will be very hard to get rid of that dictator.
gaze 8y ago
Why do you think this? Who are these elites that never leave security holes in things? The snowden leaks show they don't work for the NSA. They don't work in consumer electronics... the deeply flawed copy protection schemes in most video game consoles show that. They don't work for the FSB. What gives you the impression that these people even exist? People seem to not understand the asymmetry in difficulty between offence and defense. For something to be broken, there just needs to be one fuckup, or a few tiny fuckups that can be linked together. Smart people are not infallible. Everything is exploited eventually. The only foolproof thing to do is not to build the infrastructure in the first place. But yes, I agree with your last point. There's no privacy anymore.
btbuildem 8y ago
And who watches these specialized, intelligent watchers? Another, "higher caste" of more specialized, more intelligent watchers? The more likely scenario is that this line of work would likely attract creepy antisocial perverts who like to watch, and love to exert authority -- essentially the people we would like to keep as far as possible from this kind of technology.
_37go 8y ago
ring's entire technical team is based in the ukraine because the labor is cheaper and the data moderators that tag the videos for facial recognition and video processing make $3.00 - Ring isn't a sophisticated technology or even a secure product. For example, there is no two factor authentication and it's not encrypted end to end. Surveillance capitalism is a rush to the bottom to make money, not protect society, leaving gaping holes and cutting corners on quality (and fair pay) for profits.

makotech222 8y ago

Yeah, because the CEOs, Politicians, etc... are definitely the people walking around in public spaces or delivering packages or buying stuff from stores.

bsenftner 8y ago

Yeah, except it's not like that. It is much closer to the random collection of anybodies found at any company, just with a tech bent. The idea of these uber specialist is myth. I work in security, at high levels. It's just normal people.

jolmg 8y ago

I think you misunderstood who the watchers are supposed to be. Santosh83 is probably referring to the high risk of the establishment of a police state.

maxxxxx 8y ago

"Taken as a whole, the technologies coming out today will enable surveillance regimes the likes of which even the UK and China never previously would have dared to dream up. " thay's really important. Hitler, Stalin, the Stasi and many others would have been very pleased to have the systems we are building right now. Once a full country surveillance system gets in the hand of a ruthless dictator it will be very hard to get rid of that dictator.

gaze 8y ago

Why do you think this? Who are these elites that never leave security holes in things? The snowden leaks show they don't work for the NSA. They don't work in consumer electronics... the deeply flawed copy protection schemes in most video game consoles show that. They don't work for the FSB. What gives you the impression that these people even exist? People seem to not understand the asymmetry in difficulty between offence and defense. For something to be broken, there just needs to be one fuckup, or a few tiny fuckups that can be linked together. Smart people are not infallible. Everything is exploited eventually. The only foolproof thing to do is not to build the infrastructure in the first place. But yes, I agree with your last point. There's no privacy anymore.

btbuildem 8y ago

And who watches these specialized, intelligent watchers? Another, "higher caste" of more specialized, more intelligent watchers? The more likely scenario is that this line of work would likely attract creepy antisocial perverts who like to watch, and love to exert authority -- essentially the people we would like to keep as far as possible from this kind of technology.

_37go 8y ago

ring's entire technical team is based in the ukraine because the labor is cheaper and the data moderators that tag the videos for facial recognition and video processing make $3.00 - Ring isn't a sophisticated technology or even a secure product. For example, there is no two factor authentication and it's not encrypted end to end. Surveillance capitalism is a rush to the bottom to make money, not protect society, leaving gaping holes and cutting corners on quality (and fair pay) for profits.