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In my state Kerala in India, police seems to have started using face recognition. There was a huge protest recently in a famous temple called Sabarimala. Police

In my state Kerala in India, police seems to have started using face recognition. There was a huge protest recently in a famous temple called Sabarimala. Police had installed 12 cameras in the temple compound. If I understood correctly, the system compares live video feed against a database and alerts the police if anyone in the database was caught in the camera. Quoted from the below link: >"The cameras are equipped with artificial intelligence (AI). They can recognise people, who are among a crowd, by identifying faces. To ensure safety, the photographs of wanted people will be uploaded on the system. Whenever a person who is in the wanted list appears before the camera it will detect the person and send popup notifications to the three control rooms at Sabarimala," said IG Manoj Abraham, Cyberdome nodal officer. http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2018/oct/14/now-facial-detection-cameras-to-catch-crooks-in-sabarimala-1885170.html http://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2018/oct/14/no... While I dont know the specifics, police used this system to arrest 200 known protestors by preparing a database of 1500 people and had the system go through over 800 hours of footage. If that is not enough, now they are planning to use drones with facial recognition as well. http://www.newindianexpress.com/specials/2018/sep/17/kerala-police-plans-to-add-facial-recognition-systems-on-drones-1872892.html http://www.newindianexpress.com/specials/2018/sep/17/kerala-... I thought the plans to use face recognition in airports was scary, but they are taking it to an entirely different level altogether.

ep103 8y ago
NYPD was using this during Occupy. Everyone complained that Occupy lacked organization. But what was happening on the ground was that the NYPD was identifying who potential leaders were by using face recognition technology and (we believed) cell phone tracking to identify people who consistently showed up to different meetings. They would then use the same face identification technology to pick these people out of crowds, and arrest them before or when major events occurred, so they would be in holding during the event. Eventually the individuals would either be charged for resisting arrest, or let go since they were arrested without reason. Which dovetails into the other NYPD/LAPD tactic during mass protests of , in their words: "arrest people now, end the protest now, pay the civil liberties fines 10 years later."
- SCHiM 8y ago
  I have never heard of this, do you have references to this? If this is true, and even if you (or someone) made it up but it is a practical possibility, then it has truly horrific consequences for social organization and the peaceful transition of power (democracy). I've written about that before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15110645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15110645 This is bad. If you take away more and more ways to (relatively) peacefully protest something (for example by arresting the leaders as you say). Then the frustration will just continue, and grow and grow until the only way is violence, say what Marx had in mind.
  - cronix 8y ago
    > New York City Police Department documents obtained by The Verge show that police camera teams were deployed to hundreds of Black Lives Matter and Occupy Wall Street protests from 2011–2013 and 2016. Originally acquired through a Freedom of Information Law request by New York attorney David Thompson of Stecklow & Thompson, the records are job reports from the NYPD’s Technical Assistance Response Unit (TARU) that document over 400 instances in which the unit’s video team attended, and sometimes filmed, demonstrations. More important than the records the NYPD turned over, however, are those that it claims it cannot find: namely, any documents demonstrating that legal reviews and authorizations of these surveillance operations took place. https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/22/15016984/nypd-video-surveillance-protests-occupy-black-lives-matter https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/22/15016984/nypd-video-surve...
    - haidut 8y ago
      The MUCH bigger story is FBI standing ready to kill protestors with snipers "if deemed necessary". All of these disruption tactics articles are just "soft" news to gently irritate the public and convince it that the truth is known, is regularly leaked and the press will keep the public informed. The real truth (the planned murder of activists MLK-style) is mostly NOT known, virtually no news outlets write about it, and FBI refused to declassify it. The truth is this: If somebody is a real threat to established order they get killed, plain and simple. This should be the discussion, not "disruption" tactics of the police and how allowable/legal they are.
bsenftner 8y ago
This is exactly how FR is designed to operate (author of an FR system here). The FR system's gallery is loaded with persons of interest, and then video acquired from various sourced is analyzed. When a person of interest is identified, that "identification" is in the form of "here is person N with a probability of X% accuracy". That "notification" is then presented to a human, who then makes the human decision "yes, that is our person or no, that is not our person" and then whatever organic response that person's presence triggers occurs. FR is like having a human lookout who is really good with faces. Beyond that, it is all humans using this capability for good or bad purposes.
jesusmg 8y ago
Yeah but at least it's the police who control the data. Who knows what Amazon can do with that info. We're handing over the keys of the power to a private company. Nevertheless, is as scary as you think...

ep103 8y ago

NYPD was using this during Occupy. Everyone complained that Occupy lacked organization. But what was happening on the ground was that the NYPD was identifying who potential leaders were by using face recognition technology and (we believed) cell phone tracking to identify people who consistently showed up to different meetings. They would then use the same face identification technology to pick these people out of crowds, and arrest them before or when major events occurred, so they would be in holding during the event. Eventually the individuals would either be charged for resisting arrest, or let go since they were arrested without reason. Which dovetails into the other NYPD/LAPD tactic during mass protests of , in their words: "arrest people now, end the protest now, pay the civil liberties fines 10 years later."

SCHiM 8y ago
I have never heard of this, do you have references to this? If this is true, and even if you (or someone) made it up but it is a practical possibility, then it has truly horrific consequences for social organization and the peaceful transition of power (democracy). I've written about that before: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15110645 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15110645 This is bad. If you take away more and more ways to (relatively) peacefully protest something (for example by arresting the leaders as you say). Then the frustration will just continue, and grow and grow until the only way is violence, say what Marx had in mind.
- cronix 8y ago
  > New York City Police Department documents obtained by The Verge show that police camera teams were deployed to hundreds of Black Lives Matter and Occupy Wall Street protests from 2011–2013 and 2016. Originally acquired through a Freedom of Information Law request by New York attorney David Thompson of Stecklow & Thompson, the records are job reports from the NYPD’s Technical Assistance Response Unit (TARU) that document over 400 instances in which the unit’s video team attended, and sometimes filmed, demonstrations. More important than the records the NYPD turned over, however, are those that it claims it cannot find: namely, any documents demonstrating that legal reviews and authorizations of these surveillance operations took place. https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/22/15016984/nypd-video-surveillance-protests-occupy-black-lives-matter https://www.theverge.com/2017/3/22/15016984/nypd-video-surve...
  - haidut 8y ago
    The MUCH bigger story is FBI standing ready to kill protestors with snipers "if deemed necessary". All of these disruption tactics articles are just "soft" news to gently irritate the public and convince it that the truth is known, is regularly leaked and the press will keep the public informed. The real truth (the planned murder of activists MLK-style) is mostly NOT known, virtually no news outlets write about it, and FBI refused to declassify it. The truth is this: If somebody is a real threat to established order they get killed, plain and simple. This should be the discussion, not "disruption" tactics of the police and how allowable/legal they are.

bsenftner 8y ago

This is exactly how FR is designed to operate (author of an FR system here). The FR system's gallery is loaded with persons of interest, and then video acquired from various sourced is analyzed. When a person of interest is identified, that "identification" is in the form of "here is person N with a probability of X% accuracy". That "notification" is then presented to a human, who then makes the human decision "yes, that is our person or no, that is not our person" and then whatever organic response that person's presence triggers occurs. FR is like having a human lookout who is really good with faces. Beyond that, it is all humans using this capability for good or bad purposes.

jesusmg 8y ago

Yeah but at least it's the police who control the data. Who knows what Amazon can do with that info. We're handing over the keys of the power to a private company. Nevertheless, is as scary as you think...