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I'm so surprised to how this is downvoted and contrary to what I've experienced in life. In the United States not so long ago in 2015, I had all my civil liber

I'm so surprised to how this is downvoted and contrary to what I've experienced in life. In the United States not so long ago in 2015, I had all my civil liberties ignored and when I was brought to a hospital against my civil rights by police in the state of Michigan. I was in a town with only one hospital and it being privately owned. The whole community being religious and with the hospital I later found out. The hospital had bibles in every room with a priest showing up weekly to help with our "sins" and pray the evil away. I would remove the bible from the room and it would be placed in my room against my wish every day. Anyway, I was suffering gender dysphoria and being bullied by students at my university in association to me being different (transgender). An incident from hearsay of bullies turned into the police getting called. The officers sided with the bullies, without informing me about how I caused "a disturbance" and refused to listen to me. I was just doing my work in the computer science lab. There was only me and one of the bullies in the CS lab at the time. I argued with using my phone to record the police encounter but one officer went behind me and seized my phone so I couldn't record. I was handcuffed brought to the jail for a few minutes, while I voiced I'll be suing and then directly brought to the hospital while voicing how I wanted to stay to see a lawyer. Stayed in a hospital room for over 6 hours waiting for a nurse with two officers sitting outside the door. Nurse just listened to the officer and brought me to the psych ward. I demanded to leave the next day but the "social worker" evaluator who works at the hospital wrote involuntary on my charts and without me even seeing a doctor for an evaluation. I later see a doctor with demanding to be let go and he wants me to be observed because the police report has hearsay against me. I tell him how I'm transgender, I would actually like to be on hormone replacement therapy if I'm stuck here and all of a sudden I was being labeled insane. They kept me there for 2 months until my insurance refused because I had turned 26 years old (was now off parents insurance) and they ended up billing $58,000.00 for the stay with them forcing antipsychotics upon me. Told by nurses & the doctor I need to take the medication or the judge will never side with me. I was assigned an ex-cop who is now a lawyer for "helping people" who are brought to the hospital for involuntary commitments. So the lawyer I'm assigned never shows up to the hospital before my kangaroo court "trial" that was done over TV to the courtroom from the hospital and where my "lawyer" just went to the courtroom where the judge is behind a camera and with me being at the hospital talking through a videocamera next to a doctor & social worker who I'm extremely traumatized by. I Witness a judge side with the doctor and when I just voiced it was all a misunderstanding with my rights being violated. The lawyer said nothing. Before all this I called the patient advocate who works at the hospital "no surprise" who did nothing. I called numbers in the pamphlet the hospital gives you, nobody answered, I left voice mails and never received a call back. I said I wanted a second opinion or to be moved to another hospital as my legal right in the pamphlet states but was ignored. Anyway I eventually get out and not one organization for legal aid for minorities or civil liberties violations in Michigan wanted to help me. Maybe because there is so much stigma in the US when it comes to mental illness or where I was located with being a poor university student. So long story short, nobody cares anymore about people having their civil liberties ignored and I'm surprised the person above is being downvoted. People don't care when it's already happening to people. Now in Canada pursuing medical assistance in dying because religion ruined my life while my illness is now acceptable for people to receive treatment young. Fuck everything /rant

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lurker82 8y ago
I will keep you in my prayers
- intralizee 8y ago
  Your prayers don't do anything. I can't even be sure if you're not trying to jab at me. Since people needing to pray is likely what contributes to the mental illness of needing to believe in a god stay socially acceptable in society because of religious teaching. Where all the people who don't like what they don't consider normal gang up on the minorities. Also to the downvotes, I'm not sure why I'm downvoted and maybe it's because the original commenter is flagged so context is gone for my comment.
Killes 8y ago
Third world corrupt af sh*thole USA, lovely. Sorry you had to go through that. Mind boggling really.
- intralizee 8y ago
  Thank you
- james_s_tayler 8y ago
  That's not a third world phenomenon though. It's a nasty, unfortunate case of groupthink that sadly human beings are very susceptible to. You see the same thing with regards to treatment of people who were convicted of crimes that they were later acquitted of but society at large still treats them like they were an actual offender. Reminds me too of stories where people get in trouble with scammers in foreign countries and the authorities are never on their side and no one will listen and there just is no logic. It's a harrowing and horrible account to read. It's a stark realization to come to that human beings basically aren't capable of computing the "truth", so things like logical argument and rationality and evidence actually mean nothing. They appear to work a lot of the time and you have to be careful about that because it's somewhat of an illusion. The only thing we value is consensus, and once we think we've reached it the process for coming to it stops. So if you're on the wrong side of consensus and every single person is buying into the consensus and there is no one willing to permit dissent then you are very screwed. Logic doesn't exist at that point as the majority doesn't need to persuade and you have no coalition and therefore no power. Reminds me of Man's Search For Meaning and 7 Days to Live My Life and most of the middle ages really.

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lurker82 8y ago

I will keep you in my prayers

intralizee 8y ago
Your prayers don't do anything. I can't even be sure if you're not trying to jab at me. Since people needing to pray is likely what contributes to the mental illness of needing to believe in a god stay socially acceptable in society because of religious teaching. Where all the people who don't like what they don't consider normal gang up on the minorities. Also to the downvotes, I'm not sure why I'm downvoted and maybe it's because the original commenter is flagged so context is gone for my comment.

Killes 8y ago

Third world corrupt af sh*thole USA, lovely. Sorry you had to go through that. Mind boggling really.

intralizee 8y ago
Thank you
james_s_tayler 8y ago
That's not a third world phenomenon though. It's a nasty, unfortunate case of groupthink that sadly human beings are very susceptible to. You see the same thing with regards to treatment of people who were convicted of crimes that they were later acquitted of but society at large still treats them like they were an actual offender. Reminds me too of stories where people get in trouble with scammers in foreign countries and the authorities are never on their side and no one will listen and there just is no logic. It's a harrowing and horrible account to read. It's a stark realization to come to that human beings basically aren't capable of computing the "truth", so things like logical argument and rationality and evidence actually mean nothing. They appear to work a lot of the time and you have to be careful about that because it's somewhat of an illusion. The only thing we value is consensus, and once we think we've reached it the process for coming to it stops. So if you're on the wrong side of consensus and every single person is buying into the consensus and there is no one willing to permit dissent then you are very screwed. Logic doesn't exist at that point as the majority doesn't need to persuade and you have no coalition and therefore no power. Reminds me of Man's Search For Meaning and 7 Days to Live My Life and most of the middle ages really.