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I don't want Mozilla to win. They broke backwards compatibility with the new Servo or whatever. That's a bug. You wouldn't say that the new train carriage, whi

I don't want Mozilla to win. They broke backwards compatibility with the new Servo or whatever. That's a bug. You wouldn't say that the new train carriage, which only works on the Bosnian gauge and not on the Standard gauge (EU, US) "makes the experience better and better" even if they have free wi-fi, air-conditioning, plenty of feet space, leather seats, panoramic sunroof etc. You can't even use it, so all the extras are useless. I took Chromium, found the perfect plugins, and never looked back at Mozilla, after 10+ years of using it. If it's broken, you can't use it, even if it's fast.

Dylan16807 8y ago
I understood your post until the last line. The new versions of Firefox have almost the same plugin interface as Chromium. If you're satisfied with it, then why aren't you satisfied with it?
- molteanu 8y ago
  I'm now using cVim[0] plugin on Chromium. When I've switched from Firefox a year ago there was no real alternative to keysnail[1]. Backwards compatibility between Firefox releases began to break beginning of 2017. mooz, the developer of keysnail, managed to do some heroics and bring back the usability of the plugin on the never versions. Finally, Firefox 57 put the nail in the coffin and keysnail was declared dead on the spot. I've tried some alternatives for a few weeks but none could deliver. I found cVim on Chromium, and that saved the day. See what fellytone84 had to say about keysnail, here on HN, 4 years ago [2]: I consider Mooz's Keysnail Firefox add-on to be the most impressive keyboard oriented browsing tool. It's endlessly configurable, dotfiles in javascript--really nice to work with. For Chrome, the Vimium extension is very good, but recently I've been having a lot of fun with a similar, more configurable alternative called chromium-vim. [0] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cvim/ihlenndgcmojhcghmfjfneahoeklbjjh?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cvim/ihlenndgcmojh... [1] https://github.com/mooz/keysnail https://github.com/mooz/keysnail [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8452635 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8452635
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    It looks like someone got cVim mostly working on firefox in a day, but never had time/motivation to do a real port. So while I do miss the old extensions, and disagree strongly with how they went about it, any particular thing that's available only on chrome isn't really because chrome is better. With a little push cVim could support both browsers.
  - neurostimulant 8y ago
    Since Firefox has similar extension interface with Chromium, any Chromium extensions should be able to work with Firefox with (relatively) small amount of works. In fact, cVim seem to be mostly works in Firefox according to its author here: https://github.com/1995eaton/chromium-vim/issues/520 https://github.com/1995eaton/chromium-vim/issues/520
  - bovine3dom 8y ago
    Mooz has made xkeysnail which can do some of the same things, anywhere in X. There's also a menagerie of Vimperator alikes for Firefox: Tridactyl, Vim Vixen, Surfingkeys, Vimium-FF, VVVimpulation. Most of them have improved substantially since September 2017. Disclaimer: lots of Tridactyl's jank is my fault.
    - molteanu 8y ago
      Yes, I know. I'm using xkeysnail on Linux for C-n, C-p and C-m keybindings which I haven't seem to make it work in cVim. And for Windows, AHK for the same functionality.
ignaloidas 8y ago
You know that modifying the gauge for train carriages is really quite easy? Same with browser - it's really easy to modify Firefox to work as you want it to.
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  > it's really easy to modify Firefox to work as you want it to. Apparently support for doing gestures correctly would "break the security model" and the code would be rejected, so I'm going to disagree there.
  - marcolinux 8y ago
    About gestures: firegesture seems to have just vanished, so Im using easystroke (linux). It works with any app, not just firefox.
    - Dylan16807 8y ago
      But can it save the image under the cursor? I'm currently using foxy gestures despite the brokenness.

Dylan16807 8y ago

I understood your post until the last line. The new versions of Firefox have almost the same plugin interface as Chromium. If you're satisfied with it, then why aren't you satisfied with it?

molteanu 8y ago
I'm now using cVim[0] plugin on Chromium. When I've switched from Firefox a year ago there was no real alternative to keysnail[1]. Backwards compatibility between Firefox releases began to break beginning of 2017. mooz, the developer of keysnail, managed to do some heroics and bring back the usability of the plugin on the never versions. Finally, Firefox 57 put the nail in the coffin and keysnail was declared dead on the spot. I've tried some alternatives for a few weeks but none could deliver. I found cVim on Chromium, and that saved the day. See what fellytone84 had to say about keysnail, here on HN, 4 years ago [2]: I consider Mooz's Keysnail Firefox add-on to be the most impressive keyboard oriented browsing tool. It's endlessly configurable, dotfiles in javascript--really nice to work with. For Chrome, the Vimium extension is very good, but recently I've been having a lot of fun with a similar, more configurable alternative called chromium-vim. [0] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cvim/ihlenndgcmojhcghmfjfneahoeklbjjh?hl=en https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/cvim/ihlenndgcmojh... [1] https://github.com/mooz/keysnail https://github.com/mooz/keysnail [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8452635 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8452635
- Dylan16807 8y ago
  It looks like someone got cVim mostly working on firefox in a day, but never had time/motivation to do a real port. So while I do miss the old extensions, and disagree strongly with how they went about it, any particular thing that's available only on chrome isn't really because chrome is better. With a little push cVim could support both browsers.
- neurostimulant 8y ago
  Since Firefox has similar extension interface with Chromium, any Chromium extensions should be able to work with Firefox with (relatively) small amount of works. In fact, cVim seem to be mostly works in Firefox according to its author here: https://github.com/1995eaton/chromium-vim/issues/520 https://github.com/1995eaton/chromium-vim/issues/520
- bovine3dom 8y ago
  Mooz has made xkeysnail which can do some of the same things, anywhere in X. There's also a menagerie of Vimperator alikes for Firefox: Tridactyl, Vim Vixen, Surfingkeys, Vimium-FF, VVVimpulation. Most of them have improved substantially since September 2017. Disclaimer: lots of Tridactyl's jank is my fault.
  - molteanu 8y ago
    Yes, I know. I'm using xkeysnail on Linux for C-n, C-p and C-m keybindings which I haven't seem to make it work in cVim. And for Windows, AHK for the same functionality.

ignaloidas 8y ago

You know that modifying the gauge for train carriages is really quite easy? Same with browser - it's really easy to modify Firefox to work as you want it to.

Dylan16807 8y ago
> it's really easy to modify Firefox to work as you want it to. Apparently support for doing gestures correctly would "break the security model" and the code would be rejected, so I'm going to disagree there.
- marcolinux 8y ago
  About gestures: firegesture seems to have just vanished, so Im using easystroke (linux). It works with any app, not just firefox.
  - Dylan16807 8y ago
    But can it save the image under the cursor? I'm currently using foxy gestures despite the brokenness.