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Woo CSS scrollbars finally!

by skykooler 8y ago

Zekio 8y ago
only been a feature request for 18 years in their bug tracking tool
- torstenvl 8y ago
  Maybe they'll start getting around to 12-year-old security bugs soon? https://www.zdnet.com/article/malicious-sites-abuse-11-year-old-firefox-bug-that-mozilla-failed-to-fix/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/malicious-sites-abuse-11-year-... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377496 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377496 EDIT: Dang, guess the spittle brigade is really out in force today. Anyone downvoting want to maybe respond in substance as to why they think Firefox should continue ignoring security issues that have been open since the Bush administration?
  - Zekio 8y ago
    Well they might have to spend another 18 years to make it a dark scroll bar on Windows when you have a dark theme first :)
    - Jaruzel 8y ago
      Seems v64 now switches to a dark UI when your Windows theme is dark-mode, so maybe you'll get your wish.
- SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
  Really? Why on Earth would someone request such a thing!?
pbhjpbhj 8y ago
Oh no, really? Welcome back to the 2000s??
JohnFen 8y ago
I don't think that's a good thing. I don't want web designers to be able to alter the look of the browser itself.
- PavlovsCat 8y ago
  The same person who managed to make the text and background color not clash will also be able handle two scrollbar colors responsibly. Take e.g. a textarea that gains focus and has the both scrollbar and border change color, what's so terrible about that?
  - bzbarsky 8y ago
    > The same person who managed to make the text and background color not clash Just to check, is that sarcasm? Because having those end up the same for users who use non-default colors is a _very_ common webdev mistake...
    - PavlovsCat 8y ago
      No sarcasm, and that question wasn't rhetorical either: How is a scrollbar that different from other input elements within webpages that can already be styled? And what do you mean by using non-default colors? User stylesheets would also include scrollbar colors anyway; do you mean just setting a background but no text color (assuming a default of black, which might not be black for the user)? Don't see how this could apply to this CSS property, since it takes two colors, you either set both or none. It seems logical to me that if you can read the text on the web page, that is, if the web dev hasn't made the common mistake that renders the text unreadable, they will set the scrollbar colors to something of similar "quality". If you can't read the text because they use CSS badly, then the scrollbar color is the least of your worries. QED? Generally speaking, there are a lot of "common webdev mistakes", like using the giant images and scaling them down, having text and background color very close together... but we don't take that away just because some abuse it, so resisting more flexibility on those grounds doesn't strike me as so "obvious" as people seem to agree it is. If you can allow websites to hide the mouse cursor, I don't think the web will break because of this CSS property. If you don't want to see it on any page, override it in your user stylesheet, done.
jjuhl 8y ago
Ohh no. Stupid web-devs are going to mess with my UI elements. Please don't! I do NOT want you to try and make my UI look "pretty" (or whatever). I want it to be FUNCTIONAL.

Woo CSS scrollbars finally!

Zekio 8y ago

only been a feature request for 18 years in their bug tracking tool

torstenvl 8y ago
Maybe they'll start getting around to 12-year-old security bugs soon? https://www.zdnet.com/article/malicious-sites-abuse-11-year-old-firefox-bug-that-mozilla-failed-to-fix/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/malicious-sites-abuse-11-year-... https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377496 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=377496 EDIT: Dang, guess the spittle brigade is really out in force today. Anyone downvoting want to maybe respond in substance as to why they think Firefox should continue ignoring security issues that have been open since the Bush administration?
- Zekio 8y ago
  Well they might have to spend another 18 years to make it a dark scroll bar on Windows when you have a dark theme first :)
  - Jaruzel 8y ago
    Seems v64 now switches to a dark UI when your Windows theme is dark-mode, so maybe you'll get your wish.
SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
Really? Why on Earth would someone request such a thing!?

pbhjpbhj 8y ago

Oh no, really? Welcome back to the 2000s??

JohnFen 8y ago

I don't think that's a good thing. I don't want web designers to be able to alter the look of the browser itself.

PavlovsCat 8y ago
The same person who managed to make the text and background color not clash will also be able handle two scrollbar colors responsibly. Take e.g. a textarea that gains focus and has the both scrollbar and border change color, what's so terrible about that?
- bzbarsky 8y ago
  > The same person who managed to make the text and background color not clash Just to check, is that sarcasm? Because having those end up the same for users who use non-default colors is a _very_ common webdev mistake...
  - PavlovsCat 8y ago
    No sarcasm, and that question wasn't rhetorical either: How is a scrollbar that different from other input elements within webpages that can already be styled? And what do you mean by using non-default colors? User stylesheets would also include scrollbar colors anyway; do you mean just setting a background but no text color (assuming a default of black, which might not be black for the user)? Don't see how this could apply to this CSS property, since it takes two colors, you either set both or none. It seems logical to me that if you can read the text on the web page, that is, if the web dev hasn't made the common mistake that renders the text unreadable, they will set the scrollbar colors to something of similar "quality". If you can't read the text because they use CSS badly, then the scrollbar color is the least of your worries. QED? Generally speaking, there are a lot of "common webdev mistakes", like using the giant images and scaling them down, having text and background color very close together... but we don't take that away just because some abuse it, so resisting more flexibility on those grounds doesn't strike me as so "obvious" as people seem to agree it is. If you can allow websites to hide the mouse cursor, I don't think the web will break because of this CSS property. If you don't want to see it on any page, override it in your user stylesheet, done.

jjuhl 8y ago

Ohh no. Stupid web-devs are going to mess with my UI elements. Please don't! I do NOT want you to try and make my UI look "pretty" (or whatever). I want it to be FUNCTIONAL.