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The irony is most sites use cookies to click on the "this site uses cookies" and as I block them I get the same message ad-infinitum on every fucking site... an

by boznz 8y ago

The irony is most sites use cookies to click on the "this site uses cookies" and as I block them I get the same message ad-infinitum on every fucking site... and I'm in NZ NOT the EU

umichguy 8y ago
Kia ora! The "issue" here is that most sites which want to cater to worldwide audiences pretty much try to comply with influential legislation to stay on the good side. And GDPR/EU regs wield a big enough stick and come from a large enough region that you can't ignore them unless you want to block your site out completely to traffic coming from the EU. So they try and just do a worldwide rollout, irrespective of where you live. Of course, you can always implement this selectively but maybe more tricky to small and medium businesses, so they play and safe. Probably. I am speculating here.
- q12we34rt5 8y ago
  The "EU" as a market is only important to the largest players or as an after thought once you have a solid footing in e.g. the US for one simple reason. The EU has too many languages so you can't just target the entire population in one shot like you can in single language even larger economy in America. Even if you wanted to target the entire EU, in my personal experience I can tell you that some web services work well in a place like Germany yet fail hard in France so most small to mid-level players are only going to go in places where they make the most money and it may be years before they ever end up in say Italy or the Netherlands. All that adds up to the EU regulations having a much smaller impact on most startups than you seem to believe. And that impact will be zero on the ones who look at the regulatory landscape as it exists now and just decide to stay out. Edit: I see somebody chose to express disagreement via mouse rather than keyboard. Interesting.
  - qwerty456127 8y ago
    As a European who has never been to an English-speaking country yet has always preferred English versions of everything (and all my friends are bi- or tri- (or more) lingual, reading something in English or in our mother tongues is a near-zero difference for us) I wonder what is the actual proportion of Europeans who can not be targeted by a service in English... I've heard learning English is not particularly popular among e.g. Italians but in Scandinavia and in France almost every "millennial" is more or less fluent in English and comfortable with it. PS: I didn't downvote, I never do - I'm a downvote-hater :-)
WA 8y ago
Blame the web devs and their bad implementation of it. It’s really not that hard to get right (unless of course you don’t really want to comply).
- andybak 8y ago
  Agree that getting the region wrong is sloppy. But how does one avoid asking every time when cookies are blocked? What other implementation option is possible? This is what cookies are for.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    > But how does one avoid asking every time when cookies are blocked? What other implementation option is possible? This is what cookies are for. Local storage? Detect if cookies are blocked? Or, simply don't use cookies for purposes other than providing the service - which exempts you from the need to show the message?
    - ahje 8y ago
      > Or, simply don't use cookies for purposes other than providing the service This, or as a minimum: Don't track people who has the DNT header set.
      - dorgo 8y ago
        You mean the DNT header which is set by default in browsers? Then we can simplify your proposal to: "Don't track people"
        icebraining 8y ago
        The only browser that set it by default was IE, and Microsoft ended that with Windows 10.
        ahje 8y ago
roblabla 8y ago
How do you propose the website remembers your preference except through the use of a cookie? Cookies are the only way to keep client side state in a cross browser way. Keep in mind, cookies for non tracking purpose are allowed under the cookie law.
- a_imho 8y ago
  Only remember my preferences when I explicitly ask the site and opt-in to cookies?
  - dorgo 8y ago
    That's the reason you see cookie-banners. They are your chance to opt-in.
    - a_imho 8y ago
      Surely not, I see cookie banners at the very first chance they can throw them at me, way before I would need them for anything.
- majewsky 8y ago
  They should use localStorage. Unlike cookies, localStorage doesn't get transmitted to the server.
  - jinglebells 8y ago
    Certain security policies block localStorage, though. There doesn't seem to be a perfect place to store it.
- deleted 8y ago
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- josefx 8y ago
  Using a cookie that fits within the constraints imposed by the GDPR? It does have a list of criteria to which data it applies.
jononor 8y ago
Don't worry, it happens even when you allow cookies. Because a good part of the news sites will ask you again (in a couple of days/visits) if you have disallowed them. In case you accidentally clicked the wrong thing, I guess is their excuse. Accept button is a single up-front button, where as Rejects are hidden behind Manage... Needs to be cracked down on.

by boznz 8y ago

The irony is most sites use cookies to click on the "this site uses cookies" and as I block them I get the same message ad-infinitum on every fucking site... and I'm in NZ NOT the EU

umichguy 8y ago

Kia ora! The "issue" here is that most sites which want to cater to worldwide audiences pretty much try to comply with influential legislation to stay on the good side. And GDPR/EU regs wield a big enough stick and come from a large enough region that you can't ignore them unless you want to block your site out completely to traffic coming from the EU. So they try and just do a worldwide rollout, irrespective of where you live. Of course, you can always implement this selectively but maybe more tricky to small and medium businesses, so they play and safe. Probably. I am speculating here.

q12we34rt5 8y ago
The "EU" as a market is only important to the largest players or as an after thought once you have a solid footing in e.g. the US for one simple reason. The EU has too many languages so you can't just target the entire population in one shot like you can in single language even larger economy in America. Even if you wanted to target the entire EU, in my personal experience I can tell you that some web services work well in a place like Germany yet fail hard in France so most small to mid-level players are only going to go in places where they make the most money and it may be years before they ever end up in say Italy or the Netherlands. All that adds up to the EU regulations having a much smaller impact on most startups than you seem to believe. And that impact will be zero on the ones who look at the regulatory landscape as it exists now and just decide to stay out. Edit: I see somebody chose to express disagreement via mouse rather than keyboard. Interesting.
- qwerty456127 8y ago
  As a European who has never been to an English-speaking country yet has always preferred English versions of everything (and all my friends are bi- or tri- (or more) lingual, reading something in English or in our mother tongues is a near-zero difference for us) I wonder what is the actual proportion of Europeans who can not be targeted by a service in English... I've heard learning English is not particularly popular among e.g. Italians but in Scandinavia and in France almost every "millennial" is more or less fluent in English and comfortable with it. PS: I didn't downvote, I never do - I'm a downvote-hater :-)

WA 8y ago

Blame the web devs and their bad implementation of it. It’s really not that hard to get right (unless of course you don’t really want to comply).

andybak 8y ago
Agree that getting the region wrong is sloppy. But how does one avoid asking every time when cookies are blocked? What other implementation option is possible? This is what cookies are for.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  > But how does one avoid asking every time when cookies are blocked? What other implementation option is possible? This is what cookies are for. Local storage? Detect if cookies are blocked? Or, simply don't use cookies for purposes other than providing the service - which exempts you from the need to show the message?
  - ahje 8y ago
    > Or, simply don't use cookies for purposes other than providing the service This, or as a minimum: Don't track people who has the DNT header set.
    - dorgo 8y ago
      You mean the DNT header which is set by default in browsers? Then we can simplify your proposal to: "Don't track people"
      - icebraining 8y ago
        The only browser that set it by default was IE, and Microsoft ended that with Windows 10.
        ahje 8y ago

roblabla 8y ago

How do you propose the website remembers your preference except through the use of a cookie? Cookies are the only way to keep client side state in a cross browser way. Keep in mind, cookies for non tracking purpose are allowed under the cookie law.

a_imho 8y ago
Only remember my preferences when I explicitly ask the site and opt-in to cookies?
- dorgo 8y ago
  That's the reason you see cookie-banners. They are your chance to opt-in.
  - a_imho 8y ago
    Surely not, I see cookie banners at the very first chance they can throw them at me, way before I would need them for anything.
majewsky 8y ago
They should use localStorage. Unlike cookies, localStorage doesn't get transmitted to the server.
- jinglebells 8y ago
  Certain security policies block localStorage, though. There doesn't seem to be a perfect place to store it.
deleted 8y ago
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josefx 8y ago
Using a cookie that fits within the constraints imposed by the GDPR? It does have a list of criteria to which data it applies.

jononor 8y ago

Don't worry, it happens even when you allow cookies. Because a good part of the news sites will ask you again (in a couple of days/visits) if you have disallowed them. In case you accidentally clicked the wrong thing, I guess is their excuse. Accept button is a single up-front button, where as Rejects are hidden behind Manage... Needs to be cracked down on.