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With the Great Firewall in China and Regressive laws in the EU, the US feels like the only place where users have the freedom to choose what their internet shou

With the Great Firewall in China and Regressive laws in the EU, the US feels like the only place where users have the freedom to choose what their internet should be. Unfortunately, they have to deal with clicking on cookie notices, GDPR and now this.

Trombone12 8y ago
So how are the click troughs on the amp stories doing in the land of the free?
- czardoz 8y ago
  The difference is choice. You can choose not to click. No one's deciding whether something should be clickable for you, which is the point.
tzfld 8y ago
I would say neither the Great Wall nor the European laws will threaten the freedom of internet as much as the large US internet monopolies enforcing their behavior on the whole network.
- q12we34rt5 8y ago
  >I would say neither the Great Wall nor the European laws will threaten the freedom of internet as much as the large US internet monopolies enforcing their behavior on the whole network. And thanks to this copyright law, these companies that affect both of us equally today will be much worse for your tomorrow. The upstarts to challenge these so-called monopolies won't be hamstrung by weird EU laws in the US but they won't be able to even try to challenge the incumbents on European soil lest they run afoul. So a problem that everybody had is now much worse for you. And you take time out of your day to be smug. Edit: @krageon, Facebook is having much difficulty with the younger demographics and other services not owned by them are siphoning off their users. And Google is mortally afraid of voice search and assistants eating their lunch. They are not unassailable. But we really don't need their positions further cemented with misguided laws.
  - krageon 8y ago
    Where were these "upstarts" when Google and Facebook were busy destroying the ecosystem before these laws? I'll tell you where they were: They were being assimilated using the huge piles of money these companies made selling anything and everything they could find on you to everyone who was willing to pay.
fyfy18 8y ago
By freedom, I assume you are a big supporter of the "Restoring Internet Freedom Order" and can't wait until you can choose to add the YouTube or Netflix packages to your internet connection for $20/mo each.
- greggyb 8y ago
  The sort of freedom referred to has nothing to do with a zero-price. It has to do with the ability of two consenting adults (or we can say "willing parties" if you want) to enter into a transaction to exchange goods or services, or proxies (like dollars). The opposite of such a freedom is not that one party chooses to charge for some of its services, but that one party is prevented from offering such a service.
  - tastroder 8y ago
    You mean like... Netflix being prevented from streaming through your ISP (the only one available in your area mind) because Google paid it more to prefer YouTube traffic? The things Americans will frame as freedom of choice will continue to baffle me I guess.
    - q12we34rt5 8y ago
      >You mean like... Netflix being prevented from streaming through your ISP (the only one available in your area mind) because Google paid it more to prefer YouTube traffic? You mean a thing that has literally never happened anywhere in the US? > The things Americans will frame as freedom of choice will continue to baffle me I guess. I understand that you are frustrated with what is happening with this new legislation but it doesn't help you to make up smug fantasies about America just to make yourself feel better. Your energy would be better spent on your own knitting and maybe this kind of thing wouldn't happen.
      - Tade0 8y ago
        You mean a thing that has literally never happened anywhere in the US? This specifically may not have happened, but these things certainly did: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17284597 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17284597
Superleroy 8y ago
I almost had to laugh after the US just recently abolished Net Neutrality. And what is the grind with cookie notices and GDPR? I very much like to know what companies can do with my data, what data they have and demand deletion of it. This is not against companies, it's for people. Companies should have had these information in the first place, now they just need to display it to the user but I guess thats too much to ask. Im all against filters but cookie notices and GDPR are consumer friendly laws which I like a lot.
- q12we34rt5 8y ago
  >I almost had to laugh after the US just recently abolished Net Neutrality Your laughter is misplaced. America didn't have net neutrality up until fairly recently and before it was enacted, the internet worked just fine. It'll work just fine now. And if it really matters that much to you that you feel some kind of emotional release from your own worries, just know that many states are already putting laws on the books to reinstate it. Edit: I can't seem to respond to Superleroy so I'll put it here. Laughter is good but laughing at the imagined misfortune of others indicates moral failing. Regarding the state of internet in the US, that is easy to test out. I have Comcast. Name any website or any service and I'll see if I have any trouble accessing it. As it stands, I haven't noticed anything amiss. I run ssh, a web server, I have several Python script that run all day consuming web socket feeds. I naturally stream video etc. No problems and it is all very fast. I have access to 2 Gigabit service. I believe your assertion that my Internet isn't good is in error. You did mention that it makes you happy to laugh at other's misfortune though so if it makes you happy, imagine my internet being terrible. I won't be mad.
  - Superleroy 8y ago
    Well last I heard ISPs were not providing top service to say the least. So unless "working just fine" means "it's really shitty but hey we have internet", I would say that no, the internet is not "working just fine" at least from that perspective. I don't know why you think removing net neutrality laws was a good idea but maybe you can elaborate. Laughing truly makes me feel better and distracts me from my worries, I don't know why you have to be condescending about it. I did not say that I think filtering is a good idea, the contrary is true. I just think saying that the EU pass regressive internet laws, while the US is the beacon of freedom and choice is laughable.
rataata_jr 8y ago
Did you forget about net neutrality in US? All of us as Fucked, Australia too, with their encryption thing.

Trombone12 8y ago

So how are the click troughs on the amp stories doing in the land of the free?

czardoz 8y ago
The difference is choice. You can choose not to click. No one's deciding whether something should be clickable for you, which is the point.

tzfld 8y ago

I would say neither the Great Wall nor the European laws will threaten the freedom of internet as much as the large US internet monopolies enforcing their behavior on the whole network.

q12we34rt5 8y ago
>I would say neither the Great Wall nor the European laws will threaten the freedom of internet as much as the large US internet monopolies enforcing their behavior on the whole network. And thanks to this copyright law, these companies that affect both of us equally today will be much worse for your tomorrow. The upstarts to challenge these so-called monopolies won't be hamstrung by weird EU laws in the US but they won't be able to even try to challenge the incumbents on European soil lest they run afoul. So a problem that everybody had is now much worse for you. And you take time out of your day to be smug. Edit: @krageon, Facebook is having much difficulty with the younger demographics and other services not owned by them are siphoning off their users. And Google is mortally afraid of voice search and assistants eating their lunch. They are not unassailable. But we really don't need their positions further cemented with misguided laws.
- krageon 8y ago
  Where were these "upstarts" when Google and Facebook were busy destroying the ecosystem before these laws? I'll tell you where they were: They were being assimilated using the huge piles of money these companies made selling anything and everything they could find on you to everyone who was willing to pay.

fyfy18 8y ago

By freedom, I assume you are a big supporter of the "Restoring Internet Freedom Order" and can't wait until you can choose to add the YouTube or Netflix packages to your internet connection for $20/mo each.

greggyb 8y ago
The sort of freedom referred to has nothing to do with a zero-price. It has to do with the ability of two consenting adults (or we can say "willing parties" if you want) to enter into a transaction to exchange goods or services, or proxies (like dollars). The opposite of such a freedom is not that one party chooses to charge for some of its services, but that one party is prevented from offering such a service.
- tastroder 8y ago
  You mean like... Netflix being prevented from streaming through your ISP (the only one available in your area mind) because Google paid it more to prefer YouTube traffic? The things Americans will frame as freedom of choice will continue to baffle me I guess.
  - q12we34rt5 8y ago
    >You mean like... Netflix being prevented from streaming through your ISP (the only one available in your area mind) because Google paid it more to prefer YouTube traffic? You mean a thing that has literally never happened anywhere in the US? > The things Americans will frame as freedom of choice will continue to baffle me I guess. I understand that you are frustrated with what is happening with this new legislation but it doesn't help you to make up smug fantasies about America just to make yourself feel better. Your energy would be better spent on your own knitting and maybe this kind of thing wouldn't happen.
    - Tade0 8y ago
      You mean a thing that has literally never happened anywhere in the US? This specifically may not have happened, but these things certainly did: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17284597 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17284597

Superleroy 8y ago

I almost had to laugh after the US just recently abolished Net Neutrality. And what is the grind with cookie notices and GDPR? I very much like to know what companies can do with my data, what data they have and demand deletion of it. This is not against companies, it's for people. Companies should have had these information in the first place, now they just need to display it to the user but I guess thats too much to ask. Im all against filters but cookie notices and GDPR are consumer friendly laws which I like a lot.

q12we34rt5 8y ago
>I almost had to laugh after the US just recently abolished Net Neutrality Your laughter is misplaced. America didn't have net neutrality up until fairly recently and before it was enacted, the internet worked just fine. It'll work just fine now. And if it really matters that much to you that you feel some kind of emotional release from your own worries, just know that many states are already putting laws on the books to reinstate it. Edit: I can't seem to respond to Superleroy so I'll put it here. Laughter is good but laughing at the imagined misfortune of others indicates moral failing. Regarding the state of internet in the US, that is easy to test out. I have Comcast. Name any website or any service and I'll see if I have any trouble accessing it. As it stands, I haven't noticed anything amiss. I run ssh, a web server, I have several Python script that run all day consuming web socket feeds. I naturally stream video etc. No problems and it is all very fast. I have access to 2 Gigabit service. I believe your assertion that my Internet isn't good is in error. You did mention that it makes you happy to laugh at other's misfortune though so if it makes you happy, imagine my internet being terrible. I won't be mad.
- Superleroy 8y ago
  Well last I heard ISPs were not providing top service to say the least. So unless "working just fine" means "it's really shitty but hey we have internet", I would say that no, the internet is not "working just fine" at least from that perspective. I don't know why you think removing net neutrality laws was a good idea but maybe you can elaborate. Laughing truly makes me feel better and distracts me from my worries, I don't know why you have to be condescending about it. I did not say that I think filtering is a good idea, the contrary is true. I just think saying that the EU pass regressive internet laws, while the US is the beacon of freedom and choice is laughable.

rataata_jr 8y ago

Did you forget about net neutrality in US? All of us as Fucked, Australia too, with their encryption thing.