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I think they do understand exactly what is going on but they know that upload filters are faulty almost always in favor of people with money. Upload filters lik

I think they do understand exactly what is going on but they know that upload filters are faulty almost always in favor of people with money. Upload filters like ones on youtube are super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content but they also take out a load of legitimate content. Its now up to the content owner to prove that their content was fair use or that its not even the same thing as the copyrighted content. In the end the big companies win and the individuals lose.

Zak 8y ago
> Upload filters like ones on youtube are super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content Youtube's filter removed the audio track from a video of mine that was essentially silent to start with. There was certainly no music, TV, movie, etc... in the background.
- baroffoos 8y ago
  And how many $ did that cause Disney to lose? The system fails almost entirely siding with the orgs with money and power.
- giancarlostoro 8y ago
  That is outright ridiculous. There should be a level of human intervention to determine okay this cant be a damn copyright issue this AI is coocoo.
  - StudentStuff 8y ago
    Letting black box "AI" that is often incorrect run wild is way less expensive than having a human intervene to review flagged videos. Hence the rise of machine learning algorithms that can do all kinds of neat things, but fail hard on the plethora of edge cases that exist.
    - TeMPOraL 8y ago
      Hence the need for penalties on false positives. Alas, here this won't happen on its own, because streaming platforms need people with money (and their content) more than the reverse.
- growt 8y ago
  You were obviously playing four minutes thirty-three seconds of silence by John Cage[1] on repeat in the background! Crystal clear copyright violation! [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3
  - Zak 8y ago
    That actually came up in a now-deleted comment. Incidentally, the audio is back now, though I made no request for review. I wonder if they periodically rescan content when they make changes to the algorithm. Here's the video for the curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCEjJhm8qYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCEjJhm8qYM There is someone with a financial interest in not having people watch it, but removing the audio won't help them.
spaceribs 8y ago
Centralization loses. Publicly available content loses. A global community loses. Individuals are too many, faster and more clever than any one company can ever imagine to outmaneuver, it just means our shared internet culture becomes more localized and hidden.
- baroffoos 8y ago
  I'm fairly sure this will mean more centralization as youtube will be the only one able to comply with the laws and everyone else will be locked out.
  - spaceribs 8y ago
    I'm fairly certain YouTube wasn't around when I traded external HDs full of movies/tv shows with my high school friends.
    - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
      And that's the problem. Piracy decentralizes easily -- it has been that way since before the internet was even common. What these rules do is destroy user generated content. Because your external HD can hold every Hollywood blockbuster in the last five years but it's nowhere near big enough for all the user generated content on YouTube.
  - pgeorgi 8y ago
    > youtube will be the only one able to comply with the laws A properly decentralized system can comply with the laws as well: you know what you put up, so there is a filter - it's just in meat space.
  - AsyncAwait 8y ago
    Worth pointing out that anyone could run their own instance of PeerTube[1], for their own content, if they wished. I think the bigger issue is that many YT creators rely on its ads for revenue. 1 - https://joinpeertube.org/en https://joinpeertube.org/en
richrichardsson 8y ago
> super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content YouTube's uploads filters don't work very well with Peppa Pig episodes that have been chopped up into 45 second pieces and reordered randomly.
fsloth 8y ago
"In the end the big companies win and the individuals lose." That's how other industries are run nowadays. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but that rather this does not come from cluelesness about tech, but more about bringing tech into the legislatory mainstream.
raxxorrax 8y ago
This is partly because justice systems in the western countries require you to have a lot of money if you want to see your rights preserved. That aside, the bill is designed to target "the big ones" because publishers want to gain access to profits from advertising. You just need to look at the people who initiated this tragedy. I hate it that people don't talk about what problems the law intends to solve. You will be able to quickly reduce the answer to special interests. At that point, a legislative process should stop immediately. Will be interesting if the european institutions are able to do so.

Zak 8y ago

> Upload filters like ones on youtube are super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content Youtube's filter removed the audio track from a video of mine that was essentially silent to start with. There was certainly no music, TV, movie, etc... in the background.

baroffoos 8y ago
And how many $ did that cause Disney to lose? The system fails almost entirely siding with the orgs with money and power.
giancarlostoro 8y ago
That is outright ridiculous. There should be a level of human intervention to determine okay this cant be a damn copyright issue this AI is coocoo.
- StudentStuff 8y ago
  Letting black box "AI" that is often incorrect run wild is way less expensive than having a human intervene to review flagged videos. Hence the rise of machine learning algorithms that can do all kinds of neat things, but fail hard on the plethora of edge cases that exist.
  - TeMPOraL 8y ago
    Hence the need for penalties on false positives. Alas, here this won't happen on its own, because streaming platforms need people with money (and their content) more than the reverse.
growt 8y ago
You were obviously playing four minutes thirty-three seconds of silence by John Cage[1] on repeat in the background! Crystal clear copyright violation! [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4%E2%80%B233%E2%80%B3
- Zak 8y ago
  That actually came up in a now-deleted comment. Incidentally, the audio is back now, though I made no request for review. I wonder if they periodically rescan content when they make changes to the algorithm. Here's the video for the curious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCEjJhm8qYM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCEjJhm8qYM There is someone with a financial interest in not having people watch it, but removing the audio won't help them.

spaceribs 8y ago

Centralization loses. Publicly available content loses. A global community loses. Individuals are too many, faster and more clever than any one company can ever imagine to outmaneuver, it just means our shared internet culture becomes more localized and hidden.

baroffoos 8y ago
I'm fairly sure this will mean more centralization as youtube will be the only one able to comply with the laws and everyone else will be locked out.
- spaceribs 8y ago
  I'm fairly certain YouTube wasn't around when I traded external HDs full of movies/tv shows with my high school friends.
  - AnthonyMouse 8y ago
    And that's the problem. Piracy decentralizes easily -- it has been that way since before the internet was even common. What these rules do is destroy user generated content. Because your external HD can hold every Hollywood blockbuster in the last five years but it's nowhere near big enough for all the user generated content on YouTube.
- pgeorgi 8y ago
  > youtube will be the only one able to comply with the laws A properly decentralized system can comply with the laws as well: you know what you put up, so there is a filter - it's just in meat space.
- AsyncAwait 8y ago
  Worth pointing out that anyone could run their own instance of PeerTube[1], for their own content, if they wished. I think the bigger issue is that many YT creators rely on its ads for revenue. 1 - https://joinpeertube.org/en https://joinpeertube.org/en

richrichardsson 8y ago

> super biased towards taking down anything that looks like copyrighted content YouTube's uploads filters don't work very well with Peppa Pig episodes that have been chopped up into 45 second pieces and reordered randomly.

fsloth 8y ago

"In the end the big companies win and the individuals lose." That's how other industries are run nowadays. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but that rather this does not come from cluelesness about tech, but more about bringing tech into the legislatory mainstream.

raxxorrax 8y ago

This is partly because justice systems in the western countries require you to have a lot of money if you want to see your rights preserved. That aside, the bill is designed to target "the big ones" because publishers want to gain access to profits from advertising. You just need to look at the people who initiated this tragedy. I hate it that people don't talk about what problems the law intends to solve. You will be able to quickly reduce the answer to special interests. At that point, a legislative process should stop immediately. Will be interesting if the european institutions are able to do so.