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Well, guess Intel's thinking "there's always Microsoft (Azure)." I don't think it's settled which of Azure or AWS captures the most market share in the next de

by j1vms 8y ago

Well, guess Intel's thinking "there's always Microsoft (Azure)." I don't think it's settled which of Azure or AWS captures the most market share in the next decade. AWS has a lot going for it but MS is coming in hard and fast on the OSS to cloud integration front. Probably would have made sense for Amazon to pickup Red Hat from IBM.

stcredzero 8y ago
Microsoft can compile everything on ARM if they want to. No reason why Azure would be completely stuck on Intel chips.
- cbsmith 8y ago
  They can compile "everything" that Microsoft has written to ARM. There's a small matter of, you know, all the other stuff.
  - MBCook 8y ago
    Make the server is cheaper and people will use them. It already doesn’t matter for a lot of people. Java? PHP? JS? C#? If you’re using in interpreted language then as long is the interpreter is updated you don’t need to care. Outside of that costs rule the day. If the arm servers are noticeably cheaper then people will be incentivized to make their software run on it. Tons of open source software runs on Windows. Why isn’t windows more common on Azure and AWS? It costs more per hour. So those who could moved.
    - stcredzero 8y ago
      If you’re using in interpreted language then as long is the interpreter is updated you don’t need to care. Plenty of compiled language users wouldn't need to care either.
    - cbsmith 8y ago
      So, if you are using an interpreted language, you're indifferent to cost savings enough that savings from running on ARM likely won't make enough to be a differentiator. > If the arm servers are noticeably cheaper then people will be incentivized to make their software run on it. Yeah, I don't think the incentive is as large as you perceive it to be. Few, if any, customers are going to hire back the people they got rid of five years ago to port their old code over to a platform that is 50% cheaper to run, let alone smaller to no existent savings. But that's kind of missing the simpler problem though: there's a reason beyond form factor that the ARM version of Windows has limited features/offerings... > Why isn’t windows more common on Azure and AWS? It costs more per hour. Actually, with three year reserved instances, the pricing is largely the same in Azure.
    - jusssi 8y ago
      > Tons of open source software runs on Windows. Why isn’t windows more common on Azure and AWS? It costs more per hour. So those who could moved. Until we get something more practical than RDP mouse slinger GUI for remote admin, I doubt serious people want to use Windows, even if it cost the same.
      - cbsmith 8y ago
        We crossed that threshold a very, very long time ago.
      - oblio 8y ago
        Powershell Remoting has been a thing since Windows 2008, at least. Almost everything Microsoft made in the last decade has had Powershell support.

by j1vms 8y ago

stcredzero 8y ago

Microsoft can compile everything on ARM if they want to. No reason why Azure would be completely stuck on Intel chips.

cbsmith 8y ago
They can compile "everything" that Microsoft has written to ARM. There's a small matter of, you know, all the other stuff.
- MBCook 8y ago
  Make the server is cheaper and people will use them. It already doesn’t matter for a lot of people. Java? PHP? JS? C#? If you’re using in interpreted language then as long is the interpreter is updated you don’t need to care. Outside of that costs rule the day. If the arm servers are noticeably cheaper then people will be incentivized to make their software run on it. Tons of open source software runs on Windows. Why isn’t windows more common on Azure and AWS? It costs more per hour. So those who could moved.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    If you’re using in interpreted language then as long is the interpreter is updated you don’t need to care. Plenty of compiled language users wouldn't need to care either.
  - cbsmith 8y ago
    So, if you are using an interpreted language, you're indifferent to cost savings enough that savings from running on ARM likely won't make enough to be a differentiator. > If the arm servers are noticeably cheaper then people will be incentivized to make their software run on it. Yeah, I don't think the incentive is as large as you perceive it to be. Few, if any, customers are going to hire back the people they got rid of five years ago to port their old code over to a platform that is 50% cheaper to run, let alone smaller to no existent savings. But that's kind of missing the simpler problem though: there's a reason beyond form factor that the ARM version of Windows has limited features/offerings... > Why isn’t windows more common on Azure and AWS? It costs more per hour. Actually, with three year reserved instances, the pricing is largely the same in Azure.
  - jusssi 8y ago
    > Tons of open source software runs on Windows. Why isn’t windows more common on Azure and AWS? It costs more per hour. So those who could moved. Until we get something more practical than RDP mouse slinger GUI for remote admin, I doubt serious people want to use Windows, even if it cost the same.
    - cbsmith 8y ago
      We crossed that threshold a very, very long time ago.
    - oblio 8y ago
      Powershell Remoting has been a thing since Windows 2008, at least. Almost everything Microsoft made in the last decade has had Powershell support.