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> Honestly seems like we may be headed toward unionization Nope. For the simple reason that unions have borders, tech jobs don't.

amputect 8y ago
"Tech jobs don't [have borders]" That's going to be a huge surprise to the people, both tech workers and otherwise, who live in one of the major tech hubs where all the tech workers congregate.
- ucaetano 8y ago
  Yep, and when workers in that hub become too expensive and less efficient because of unions, where do you think the jobs will move? US unions rely largely on holding a monopoly on the supply of labor. When that monopoly disappears, they lose all power.
  - xur17 8y ago
    Workers in hubs are already more expensive, but jobs don't seem to be moving.
    - ucaetano 8y ago
      Are you claiming that the jobs won't leave no matter how expensive the workers are?
      - xur17 8y ago
        I'm merely pointing out that the costs are already more expensive, and this doesn't seem to be causing many to relocate.
kiliantics 8y ago
> unions have borders there are international unions and federations of unions actually
- ucaetano 8y ago
  > there are international unions and federations of unions actually Not really, that's just naming and marketing. No only that, unions actually compete with each other across countries. An union in the US is fighting for US workers, and to keep jobs in the US, and might be competing with an union in Mexico for those same jobs.
Daishiman 8y ago
You're really so naive as to think that companies are just going to avoid gigantic markets for engineers just because of unions? You know that unionized jobs are _not_ drastically different over those that aren't, right?
- ucaetano 8y ago
  "You're really so naive" You're really so naive to think that unions don't change productivity?
  - Daishiman 8y ago
    Why don't you go and ask Germans, the Dutch, Swiss or Nordic countries, which have gigantic union presence, if you think unions have anything to do with productivity? The problem with US isn't with the unions, it's with the corporations' complete vitriol against them.

amputect 8y ago

"Tech jobs don't [have borders]" That's going to be a huge surprise to the people, both tech workers and otherwise, who live in one of the major tech hubs where all the tech workers congregate.

ucaetano 8y ago
Yep, and when workers in that hub become too expensive and less efficient because of unions, where do you think the jobs will move? US unions rely largely on holding a monopoly on the supply of labor. When that monopoly disappears, they lose all power.
- xur17 8y ago
  Workers in hubs are already more expensive, but jobs don't seem to be moving.
  - ucaetano 8y ago
    Are you claiming that the jobs won't leave no matter how expensive the workers are?
    - xur17 8y ago
      I'm merely pointing out that the costs are already more expensive, and this doesn't seem to be causing many to relocate.

kiliantics 8y ago

> unions have borders there are international unions and federations of unions actually

ucaetano 8y ago
> there are international unions and federations of unions actually Not really, that's just naming and marketing. No only that, unions actually compete with each other across countries. An union in the US is fighting for US workers, and to keep jobs in the US, and might be competing with an union in Mexico for those same jobs.

Daishiman 8y ago

You're really so naive as to think that companies are just going to avoid gigantic markets for engineers just because of unions? You know that unionized jobs are _not_ drastically different over those that aren't, right?

ucaetano 8y ago
"You're really so naive" You're really so naive to think that unions don't change productivity?
- Daishiman 8y ago
  Why don't you go and ask Germans, the Dutch, Swiss or Nordic countries, which have gigantic union presence, if you think unions have anything to do with productivity? The problem with US isn't with the unions, it's with the corporations' complete vitriol against them.