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It's an interesting situation. I wonder if Apple will bend over and give up user's privacy, or will exit Australian markets. Google and Amazon will definitely

It's an interesting situation. I wonder if Apple will bend over and give up user's privacy, or will exit Australian markets. Google and Amazon will definitely sell out the users. (and I'm not an Apple user)

hndamien 8y ago
I really hope Apple leave, otherwise they have no significant distinguishing feature.
- jamesholden 8y ago
  One thing I do respect about Apple is that they do try and protect their users.
  - alpaca128 8y ago
    As long as it's not their wallets/right to repair, and their users don't live in China, then yes.
Queenie_15 8y ago
Apple already operate data centres in China without privacy controls - seemingly happy to provide full government access in exchange for access to a lucrative market. Google currently have no operations in China.
- bufferoverflow 8y ago
  Interesting. I'm wrong then.
- londons_explore 8y ago
  Apple's users in China don't have an expectation of privacy. Chinese consumers have never had a web service offer privacy, and therefore don't expect it. Apple running a priavcy-less service in China isn't violating the users expectations, as long as they don't ever claim it's private or secure. Australian users however do expect privacy. They do expect that their chat messages will only be read by the recipient and not the government.
- tinus_hn 8y ago
  Apple servers in China are accessed by the same clients as Apple servers in the US. They don’t get to see the things Apple servers in de US don’t get to see. They get to see a lot and what happens with that is up to the Chinese government, just as it is up to the US government what happens to what the US servers see.
- throw_me_baby 8y ago
  Not really. They offloaded those data centers to 3p controllers. They refused backdoors publicly for the US, so likely they'd either exit publicly or create an "Aussie iCloud" like china.
adventured 8y ago
There's a third option. Force the Australian government into a showdown in which they have to ban Apple devices and services from all of Australia (via the telecom carriers). Don't leave willingly, stand by the people of Australia until you can't any longer; don't harm your customers willingly, make the government harm them by physically revoking market access. That would have the benefit of producing a very public demonstration of what's actually happening.

hndamien 8y ago

I really hope Apple leave, otherwise they have no significant distinguishing feature.

jamesholden 8y ago
One thing I do respect about Apple is that they do try and protect their users.
- alpaca128 8y ago
  As long as it's not their wallets/right to repair, and their users don't live in China, then yes.

Queenie_15 8y ago

Apple already operate data centres in China without privacy controls - seemingly happy to provide full government access in exchange for access to a lucrative market. Google currently have no operations in China.

bufferoverflow 8y ago
Interesting. I'm wrong then.
londons_explore 8y ago
Apple's users in China don't have an expectation of privacy. Chinese consumers have never had a web service offer privacy, and therefore don't expect it. Apple running a priavcy-less service in China isn't violating the users expectations, as long as they don't ever claim it's private or secure. Australian users however do expect privacy. They do expect that their chat messages will only be read by the recipient and not the government.
tinus_hn 8y ago
Apple servers in China are accessed by the same clients as Apple servers in the US. They don’t get to see the things Apple servers in de US don’t get to see. They get to see a lot and what happens with that is up to the Chinese government, just as it is up to the US government what happens to what the US servers see.
throw_me_baby 8y ago
Not really. They offloaded those data centers to 3p controllers. They refused backdoors publicly for the US, so likely they'd either exit publicly or create an "Aussie iCloud" like china.

adventured 8y ago

There's a third option. Force the Australian government into a showdown in which they have to ban Apple devices and services from all of Australia (via the telecom carriers). Don't leave willingly, stand by the people of Australia until you can't any longer; don't harm your customers willingly, make the government harm them by physically revoking market access. That would have the benefit of producing a very public demonstration of what's actually happening.