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I still do not know why Canada is carrying water for the USA on this. Trudeau just spent several billion of taxpayers money to build a pipeline to export dirty

I still do not know why Canada is carrying water for the USA on this. Trudeau just spent several billion of taxpayers money to build a pipeline to export dirty Canadian tarsands to the Chinese. What is the USA doing for Canada apart from tearing up existing trade deals?

tathougies 8y ago
It's this thing called the law that -- in western democracies -- applies to everyone equally.
- rbg246 8y ago
  I cannot tell whether this is being said with a straight face.
  - tathougies 8y ago
    Yes, it is. The law of Canada says this woman should be arrested. Thus, independent of what Mr Trudeau thinks, she will be arrested, and tried, in accordance with the law.
    - einpoklum 8y ago
      I don't know Canadian law, but Huawei did not break laws it is bound by. The US cannot require people and organizations in other countries to apply international sanctions it wishes to apply. China is committed to the JCPOA, Huawei is a Chinese company and it is ridiculous - and legally baseless, AFAICT - to demand otherwise. ... which means Canada should not have honored the request to arrest.
      - detaro 8y ago
        Huawai isn't charged (but given that it has facilities in the US it probably can't pretend to be totally free of US law, and at least some reports say executives have avoided traveling there after the US parts were subpoenaed for information). Apparently the executive is charged with financial fraud: misrepresenting the nature of financial transactions to banks. That's probably a crime in Canada too (I'm sure some government lawyers spend a lot of thought on the right wording for this so it does translate to Canadian law, even if the specific sanctions that are the reason she did that don't exist in Canada), and so she can be arrested and extradited if the courts agree.
      - tathougies 8y ago
        You are bound by any laws of the jurisdictions you enter, including if those laws are unjust or apply to things you did outside that jurisdiction. > Legally baseless according to whom? I will never understand the appeals to legality on an international level. These questions could only be answered in the context of a particular jurisdiction, and -- according to the jurisdiction this lady was detained in -- the actions of the government were legal.
    - rbg246 8y ago
      OK I see, thank you. Your original comment made the blanket statement that the law applies equally to all citizens in western democracies. Make all the statements you want saying that western democracies have a better rule of law than China but making blanket statements like the above hurts your argument.
Waterluvian 8y ago
Not suggesting I have the answer, but here's a thought. Canada has prospered from sharing a land border with the U.S. We are the largest trading partner because of this geography. For better or worse, we are tied to the U.S. by umbilical cord. I get a sense that no matter what the mood of the day is about our relations, we need to find a way to cooperate as much as possible. Trump will come and go. China will probably keep growing in economic power and relevance. But Canada won't ever physically find itself not in North America.
- anoncoward111 8y ago
  There is no need to physically detain and deport someone over what amounts to "illegally" selling routers to Iranians. Do you know how many weapons the US has sold to Taiwan, and no CFOs have been arrested by China?
  - DeonPenny 8y ago
    Yes you should detain someone. Rule of law is something that separate countries that prosper and those who don't. Letting the rich do whatever they want is a very bad thing to do. Also, of course, the US can sell weapons to Taiwan. Theres no international sanctions on Taiwan, and not only that they've been peaceful for years.
    - anoncoward111 8y ago
      >Taiwan has been peaceful for years China literally has laid claim to their island and they defend it by force
      - DeonPenny 8y ago
        Yeh because it's there island. The war is over give it up. No internationally agrees with china. Therefore it's not there island. Also you forgot the important word there. Defend, They are defending not attacking anyone.
    - anoncoward111 8y ago
Latteland 8y ago
This must be a rule of law issue. CEOs are just people here, even if they have more power through money in western countries. The us has arrested its own ceos when they break the law. On the other hand, china absolutely goes farther than that such as these refusal to allow people to exit china even when they haven't apparently done anything (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/25/us/politics/china-exit-ban.html?module=inline https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/25/us/politics/china-exit-ba...).

tathougies 8y ago

It's this thing called the law that -- in western democracies -- applies to everyone equally.

rbg246 8y ago
I cannot tell whether this is being said with a straight face.
- tathougies 8y ago
  Yes, it is. The law of Canada says this woman should be arrested. Thus, independent of what Mr Trudeau thinks, she will be arrested, and tried, in accordance with the law.
  - einpoklum 8y ago
    I don't know Canadian law, but Huawei did not break laws it is bound by. The US cannot require people and organizations in other countries to apply international sanctions it wishes to apply. China is committed to the JCPOA, Huawei is a Chinese company and it is ridiculous - and legally baseless, AFAICT - to demand otherwise. ... which means Canada should not have honored the request to arrest.
    - detaro 8y ago
      Huawai isn't charged (but given that it has facilities in the US it probably can't pretend to be totally free of US law, and at least some reports say executives have avoided traveling there after the US parts were subpoenaed for information). Apparently the executive is charged with financial fraud: misrepresenting the nature of financial transactions to banks. That's probably a crime in Canada too (I'm sure some government lawyers spend a lot of thought on the right wording for this so it does translate to Canadian law, even if the specific sanctions that are the reason she did that don't exist in Canada), and so she can be arrested and extradited if the courts agree.
    - tathougies 8y ago
      You are bound by any laws of the jurisdictions you enter, including if those laws are unjust or apply to things you did outside that jurisdiction. > Legally baseless according to whom? I will never understand the appeals to legality on an international level. These questions could only be answered in the context of a particular jurisdiction, and -- according to the jurisdiction this lady was detained in -- the actions of the government were legal.
  - rbg246 8y ago
    OK I see, thank you. Your original comment made the blanket statement that the law applies equally to all citizens in western democracies. Make all the statements you want saying that western democracies have a better rule of law than China but making blanket statements like the above hurts your argument.

Waterluvian 8y ago

Not suggesting I have the answer, but here's a thought. Canada has prospered from sharing a land border with the U.S. We are the largest trading partner because of this geography. For better or worse, we are tied to the U.S. by umbilical cord. I get a sense that no matter what the mood of the day is about our relations, we need to find a way to cooperate as much as possible. Trump will come and go. China will probably keep growing in economic power and relevance. But Canada won't ever physically find itself not in North America.

anoncoward111 8y ago
There is no need to physically detain and deport someone over what amounts to "illegally" selling routers to Iranians. Do you know how many weapons the US has sold to Taiwan, and no CFOs have been arrested by China?
- DeonPenny 8y ago
  Yes you should detain someone. Rule of law is something that separate countries that prosper and those who don't. Letting the rich do whatever they want is a very bad thing to do. Also, of course, the US can sell weapons to Taiwan. Theres no international sanctions on Taiwan, and not only that they've been peaceful for years.
  - anoncoward111 8y ago
    >Taiwan has been peaceful for years China literally has laid claim to their island and they defend it by force
    - DeonPenny 8y ago
      Yeh because it's there island. The war is over give it up. No internationally agrees with china. Therefore it's not there island. Also you forgot the important word there. Defend, They are defending not attacking anyone.
  - anoncoward111 8y ago

Latteland 8y ago

This must be a rule of law issue. CEOs are just people here, even if they have more power through money in western countries. The us has arrested its own ceos when they break the law. On the other hand, china absolutely goes farther than that such as these refusal to allow people to exit china even when they haven't apparently done anything (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/25/us/politics/china-exit-ban.html?module=inline https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/25/us/politics/china-exit-ba...).