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History is repeating itself. The world leaders were too slow to deal with Hitler, just like they'll be too slow to deal with Xi Jinping. Trauma of past wars, fe

History is repeating itself. The world leaders were too slow to deal with Hitler, just like they'll be too slow to deal with Xi Jinping. Trauma of past wars, fear for the economy, and underestimation of their true intentions.

EGreg 8y ago
China does have some parallels to the socialists of old. USSR and Nazi Germany. The regimes helped raise a lot of people from grinding poverty through central planning. But also have very heavy-handed approaches to social issues. For example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/6/chinas-christian-persecution-highest-level-mao/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/6/chinas-chris... https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviaenos/2018/03/28/growing-religious-persecution-in-china-a-symptom-of-xis-consolidation-of-power/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviaenos/2018/03/28/growing-r...
- lovich 8y ago
  Side note, but I've been seeing this propaganda pop up the past few weeks all over, and now I'm starting to see it come from people I don't think are spreading propaganda, like yourself. The Nazis were no socialists. Socialism isn't part of naziism. Yes it was in their name, but republic is in China's official name, and north korea is know as the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea. We wouldn't claim either country is a democracy. By throwing in Nazis and socialism in the same pot, you are equating those two ideas in people's minds when they are absolutely not
  - abc-xyz 8y ago
    How deeply you wish to read Hitler and Xi Jinping or China and Nazi Germany comparison is up to you. The two dictators and countries share a lot of similarities. The key point is that they're both hungry for power, evil and brutal, wish to force their ideology upon the world, and most importantly, are in a position where it's possible for them to achieve their goals. Do I believe that Hitler/Xi Jinping were/are the most evil people on earth? No, but unlike others, they're both in a position where they can conquer the world (no matter how much we want to pretend otherwise) and cause great suffering to people outside their own borders. To dismiss the comparison because one put jews in concentration camps while the other is putting muslims, or whatever ideological difference you can find, is missing the point.
    - lovich 8y ago
      I find that the comparison between them as dictators has merit. No question there. Same on the camps they are putting specific ethnic "others" into, to get their people to rally behind them. My point specifically was about equating Nazis to socialists. There's been a concentrated campaign the past few weeks to say that Nazis were socialists, so socialists today are the real Nazis and not the guys with SS tattoos who are advocating for ethnic purity. If you don't like socialists for whatever reason, that's a position you can hold. I just don't like this muddying of waters for political reasons. Also again, I don't think you are spreading this on purpose. I've seen it start on alt right influenced subreddits and seen it spread the past few weeks, to the point that I am now seeing it casually mentioned in neutral forums as an offhand fact.
      - EGreg 8y ago
        Just to be clear, I thought the propaganda you were referring to was comparing China to pre WW2 Nazi Germany, like Steve Bannon did in his book. I had written a long post about the similarities but thought better of it - the more I analyed them (eg Tibet) the more I realied China is closer to the USSR. So I scrapped the whole thing and wrote the post above. No, they were all in fact socialists. You may not like it, and I do make a YUGE distinction between socialism and social democracy. For example Bernie is wrong, he is a social democrat and not a “democratic socialist”. Scandinavian countries are social democracies. Having said that, I admit that there are other TYPES of socialism that are not acknowledged. Like Kibbutzes and the Public Stock Market. Socialism is just collective ownership of the means of production. But when most people say socialism, they mean State Socialism.
        lovich 8y ago
        Please explain how Nazis were socialists. It wasn't ownership by the people it's was ownership by the party
        EGreg 8y ago
        Well, state socialism is ownership by “the people” through the state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgemeinschaft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgemeinschaft Take Volkswagen for example: the people’s car. Isn’t it similar to China’s initiatives to build electric cars and buses, or to own the corporations? The problem wasn’t the socialism but the nationalization of everything: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People%27s_Welfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People%27s_...
guilhas 8y ago
To slow dealing with Trump
- abc-xyz 8y ago
  At least the world is dealing with Trump. He'll soon be replaced and there's reason to believe that a lot of the damage he's causing can be repaired. As for Xi Jinping, Tibet is gone, Xinjiang is gone, Hong Kong is all but gone, Taiwan and the South China Sea is next. This should be obvious to everyone, the only question is who will be the next to suffer, and how many territories and countries will be conquered, and how many people must die, before the world take action.
  - orbifold 8y ago
    There is little reason to believe that China would expand beyond its historical borders, they have enough people and land as is.
    - tathougies 8y ago
      China is literally building land and has invaded international waters. You are living in a fantasy world
    - abc-xyz 8y ago
      Tell that to Hong Kong, Tibet and Taiwan, as well as all the countries suffering from their South China Sea territorial claims. Not to mention the countless times China has been caught fishing in other countries territory in recent months. Also, China have invaded other countries in 'recent history', such as India, Vietnam, Russia.
      - XuMiao 8y ago
        Americans killed native Indians and Mexicans. We made a lot of Chinese and African immigrants suffer for decades. The foreign policy is one of the sources of many troubles world wide including terrorism. It's very easy to pointing fingers on others but self. Double standard is the weakest and most stupid culture characteristics from the West. No one will follow a leader like that.
asituop 8y ago
I agree, a Total Surveillance system than the most dystopian Sci-Fi movies could barely imagine, a Social Score to keep control over people act & thoughts and now non-consenting Human DNA Experiments to build a stronger race... But unlike with Hitler I'm afraid other countries will not fight it but actually embrace it because this is "progress" (no more diseases and no more terrorism what's not to like right ?)

EGreg 8y ago

China does have some parallels to the socialists of old. USSR and Nazi Germany. The regimes helped raise a lot of people from grinding poverty through central planning. But also have very heavy-handed approaches to social issues. For example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Falun_Gong https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/6/chinas-christian-persecution-highest-level-mao/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/6/chinas-chris... https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviaenos/2018/03/28/growing-religious-persecution-in-china-a-symptom-of-xis-consolidation-of-power/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/oliviaenos/2018/03/28/growing-r...

lovich 8y ago
Side note, but I've been seeing this propaganda pop up the past few weeks all over, and now I'm starting to see it come from people I don't think are spreading propaganda, like yourself. The Nazis were no socialists. Socialism isn't part of naziism. Yes it was in their name, but republic is in China's official name, and north korea is know as the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea. We wouldn't claim either country is a democracy. By throwing in Nazis and socialism in the same pot, you are equating those two ideas in people's minds when they are absolutely not
- abc-xyz 8y ago
  How deeply you wish to read Hitler and Xi Jinping or China and Nazi Germany comparison is up to you. The two dictators and countries share a lot of similarities. The key point is that they're both hungry for power, evil and brutal, wish to force their ideology upon the world, and most importantly, are in a position where it's possible for them to achieve their goals. Do I believe that Hitler/Xi Jinping were/are the most evil people on earth? No, but unlike others, they're both in a position where they can conquer the world (no matter how much we want to pretend otherwise) and cause great suffering to people outside their own borders. To dismiss the comparison because one put jews in concentration camps while the other is putting muslims, or whatever ideological difference you can find, is missing the point.
  - lovich 8y ago
    I find that the comparison between them as dictators has merit. No question there. Same on the camps they are putting specific ethnic "others" into, to get their people to rally behind them. My point specifically was about equating Nazis to socialists. There's been a concentrated campaign the past few weeks to say that Nazis were socialists, so socialists today are the real Nazis and not the guys with SS tattoos who are advocating for ethnic purity. If you don't like socialists for whatever reason, that's a position you can hold. I just don't like this muddying of waters for political reasons. Also again, I don't think you are spreading this on purpose. I've seen it start on alt right influenced subreddits and seen it spread the past few weeks, to the point that I am now seeing it casually mentioned in neutral forums as an offhand fact.
    - EGreg 8y ago
      Just to be clear, I thought the propaganda you were referring to was comparing China to pre WW2 Nazi Germany, like Steve Bannon did in his book. I had written a long post about the similarities but thought better of it - the more I analyed them (eg Tibet) the more I realied China is closer to the USSR. So I scrapped the whole thing and wrote the post above. No, they were all in fact socialists. You may not like it, and I do make a YUGE distinction between socialism and social democracy. For example Bernie is wrong, he is a social democrat and not a “democratic socialist”. Scandinavian countries are social democracies. Having said that, I admit that there are other TYPES of socialism that are not acknowledged. Like Kibbutzes and the Public Stock Market. Socialism is just collective ownership of the means of production. But when most people say socialism, they mean State Socialism.
      - lovich 8y ago
        Please explain how Nazis were socialists. It wasn't ownership by the people it's was ownership by the party
        EGreg 8y ago
        Well, state socialism is ownership by “the people” through the state. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgemeinschaft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgemeinschaft Take Volkswagen for example: the people’s car. Isn’t it similar to China’s initiatives to build electric cars and buses, or to own the corporations? The problem wasn’t the socialism but the nationalization of everything: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People%27s_Welfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People%27s_...

guilhas 8y ago

To slow dealing with Trump

abc-xyz 8y ago
At least the world is dealing with Trump. He'll soon be replaced and there's reason to believe that a lot of the damage he's causing can be repaired. As for Xi Jinping, Tibet is gone, Xinjiang is gone, Hong Kong is all but gone, Taiwan and the South China Sea is next. This should be obvious to everyone, the only question is who will be the next to suffer, and how many territories and countries will be conquered, and how many people must die, before the world take action.
- orbifold 8y ago
  There is little reason to believe that China would expand beyond its historical borders, they have enough people and land as is.
  - tathougies 8y ago
    China is literally building land and has invaded international waters. You are living in a fantasy world
  - abc-xyz 8y ago
    Tell that to Hong Kong, Tibet and Taiwan, as well as all the countries suffering from their South China Sea territorial claims. Not to mention the countless times China has been caught fishing in other countries territory in recent months. Also, China have invaded other countries in 'recent history', such as India, Vietnam, Russia.
    - XuMiao 8y ago
      Americans killed native Indians and Mexicans. We made a lot of Chinese and African immigrants suffer for decades. The foreign policy is one of the sources of many troubles world wide including terrorism. It's very easy to pointing fingers on others but self. Double standard is the weakest and most stupid culture characteristics from the West. No one will follow a leader like that.

asituop 8y ago

I agree, a Total Surveillance system than the most dystopian Sci-Fi movies could barely imagine, a Social Score to keep control over people act & thoughts and now non-consenting Human DNA Experiments to build a stronger race... But unlike with Hitler I'm afraid other countries will not fight it but actually embrace it because this is "progress" (no more diseases and no more terrorism what's not to like right ?)