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So goes the world of propaganda. Another interesting spin is how we frame ourselves as being the anti-imperial liberators of the world and praising ourselves fo

So goes the world of propaganda. Another interesting spin is how we frame ourselves as being the anti-imperial liberators of the world and praising ourselves for workers' rights, anti-child labor and pro-living wage. It was actually the soviets who were anti-imperial and pro workers rights. It's why they initially won so many fans in china, india, africa, vietnam, etc. Didn't someone say history is a lie we tell ourselves over and over again until we forget it is a lie? Now in defense of the US, the soviets did put a satellite up first, but we were more than capable of doing so at the same time or even before. We sent up a satellite 2 months after the soviets. Contrast that with the moon landing. The soviets never sent a man to the moon even decades after we did. So in that light, I think the moon landing was far more impressive and representative of "victory" for a lack of a better word. Perhaps we can say the soviets won the first space battle, but we won the space war? Without a doubt, we won the PR war as the moon landing and armstrong's "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind" will be the iconic and defining moment of the space race for the rest of history.

dnautics 8y ago
> It was actually the soviets who were anti-imperial and pro workers rights. Now that I know more about just how atrocious the us was internally to it's minorities and worse to several foreign countries during the cold war era, I sometimes wonder just how it was that the US won the cold war, and then I see something like 'death of stalin' and I come to understand that the other side was just as venal and absurdly incompetent, and just as incapable of living up to it's founding ideals
- wazoox 8y ago
  Don't forget how ridiculously small USSR economy was compared to the US, too.
e12e 8y ago
> The soviets never sent a man to the moon even decades after we did. So in that light, I think the moon landing was far more impressive and representative of "victory" for a lack of a better word. Well, Soviet was first to "touch" the moon (Luna 2, 1959),first to "soft land" on the moon (Luna 9 and 13, 1966), did a unmanned lunar soil sample return (Luna 16, 1970), moon rover (Luna 17, 1970). Particularily combining first human safe return trip to space followed by landing a rover (shortly after Apollo) - it makes sense for Soviet to claim Mars as the "real" target for human exploration... After having tested "all parts" to a certain extent.
vbtemp 8y ago
> Another interesting spin is how we frame ourselves as being the anti-imperial liberators of the world and praising ourselves for workers' rights, anti-child labor and pro-living wage. It was actually the soviets who were anti-imperial and pro workers rights. Isn't there like a subreddit or website called like r/ShitHNSays?
- delinka 8y ago
  I know of a Twitter account[1] 1 - https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says
- cat199 8y ago
  > the soviets who were anti-imperial and pro workers rights. So long as you wanted to join the COMINTERN empire, and become a proletariat subjugated to the Party's bourgeoise.

dnautics 8y ago

> It was actually the soviets who were anti-imperial and pro workers rights. Now that I know more about just how atrocious the us was internally to it's minorities and worse to several foreign countries during the cold war era, I sometimes wonder just how it was that the US won the cold war, and then I see something like 'death of stalin' and I come to understand that the other side was just as venal and absurdly incompetent, and just as incapable of living up to it's founding ideals

wazoox 8y ago
Don't forget how ridiculously small USSR economy was compared to the US, too.

e12e 8y ago

> The soviets never sent a man to the moon even decades after we did. So in that light, I think the moon landing was far more impressive and representative of "victory" for a lack of a better word. Well, Soviet was first to "touch" the moon (Luna 2, 1959),first to "soft land" on the moon (Luna 9 and 13, 1966), did a unmanned lunar soil sample return (Luna 16, 1970), moon rover (Luna 17, 1970). Particularily combining first human safe return trip to space followed by landing a rover (shortly after Apollo) - it makes sense for Soviet to claim Mars as the "real" target for human exploration... After having tested "all parts" to a certain extent.

vbtemp 8y ago

> Another interesting spin is how we frame ourselves as being the anti-imperial liberators of the world and praising ourselves for workers' rights, anti-child labor and pro-living wage. It was actually the soviets who were anti-imperial and pro workers rights. Isn't there like a subreddit or website called like r/ShitHNSays?

delinka 8y ago
I know of a Twitter account[1] 1 - https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says
cat199 8y ago
> the soviets who were anti-imperial and pro workers rights. So long as you wanted to join the COMINTERN empire, and become a proletariat subjugated to the Party's bourgeoise.