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Show HN: Supportify – Support your top Spotify artists by buying on Bandcamp

141 points by tomduncalf 8y ago

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solarkraft 8y ago
One thing I already like about this is that it allows you to view top artists and top tracks. I bookmark it already, just for this. Maybe it'd be nicer if it already showed links to artists' Bandcamp accounts where you're certain one exists. Searching individually through a button barely provides less friction than copying the name and pasting it into Bandcamp's search. Nice about this model (beside being very easy to implement) is that you can easily add other platforms: My suggestion is Patreon.
- tomduncalf 8y ago
  Hey, thanks for the feedback! This was hacked together in an hour this morning so I wasn't able to go too deep but I'd like to try and improve it for sure. Sadly Bandcamp don't have a public API for searching any more, so I'd need to do some kind of scraping to ascertain whether an artist has a profile... not ideal I know! Patreon is a great idea, any other suggestions for destinations also welcome. Record shops is one possibility. I'm not sure if iTunes etc. is, not sure how much the artist sees from that!
  - iicc 8y ago
    You could use the data from musicbrainz eg https://musicbrainz.org/artist/7d0e8067-10b9-4069-95dc-1110a0fbb877/relationships https://musicbrainz.org/artist/7d0e8067-10b9-4069-95dc-1110a...
    - tomduncalf 8y ago
      Wow, I didn’t know musicbrainz had that kind of info. Will look into that for sure, thanks for the pointer!
    - anentropic 8y ago
      it looks like it's not updated automatically from anywhere though e.g. I have three albums all released via CD Baby, Bandcamp and iTunes. If I search for myself in Musicbrainz I only find the first album, and I'm guessing I probably added that myself manually and didn't think to do it for the others, years later
justtopost 8y ago
Too bad all these solutions have at least 3 middlemen before the artist... Credit card, processor, bandcamp... and then the whole label, distribution, and management fees... its a great start, but as an artist, its only that. One person buying a tshirt, or coming to a concert makes me more than 100 internet store sales. Support your artist by seeing them live. And dance.
- tomduncalf 8y ago
  Yeah, I certainly don’t think this is the solution to the situation for artists these days. Just something to scratch a personal itch more than anything but I think it is interesting to think about ways it could expand into other ways of supporting artists (for example, live shows as you mention - I know Spotify does show these itself, but I like the idea of looking at your favourite artists from the last few months all in one place). But yeah, for those of us who live in areas where artists regularly play, there’s no substitute for going out and having a dance :)
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- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  >"Support your artist by seeing them live" Yes, absolutely the best way to support artists. Provided they actually tour in your area, obviously. I see a couple hundred artists every year, most of my free time is organized around concerts and festivals. I do try to buy some merch at most concerts to support the artists, but I have way too many band shirts at this point, and no more room for posters/flags, so I wish artists would branch out more when it comes to merch options. I love making battle vests (working on my fifth vest at the moment), so I nearly always make sure to pick up a patch or two. But I absolutely wouldn't mind keychains or lanyards or pins/badges or something else. Short of that, I do buy a lot more music on bandcamp now than I used to. Bandcamp's cut is a flat 15% (or 10% if you surpass $5000 in sales), and I know Paypal takes a cut as well. But it's still vastly superior to the old record label ripoff scheme.
  - rchaud 8y ago
aquabeagle 8y ago
I wish all bands were on Bandcamp. It makes it so easy to buy albums in lossless formats (FLAC and ALAC) that I get frustrated when bands (usually more popular ones) aren't on it. Now I won't even buy their albums because I don't want them in MP3.
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- danbee 8y ago
  I recently discovered that 7digital (https://www.7digital.com https://www.7digital.com or https://us.7digital.com https://us.7digital.com in the US) sells FLAC downloads for many popular artists. I first check Bandcamp but if a band is not there I can usually find it on 7digital.
  - KozmoNau7 8y ago
    Unfortunately only available in select regions.
kn8 8y ago
I've been thinking of doing something similar for a while! A service that continuously keeps track of what you're listening to and suggests donating to the bands. And if you could allow bands to claim the money via some kind of Brave BAT style mechanic, you could perhaps also cut out most of the middlemen. The main reason I haven't explored this further is – would enough people care enough to make this worthwhile?
- IfOnlyYouKnew 8y ago
  You, just like Brave, would not be "cutting out the middlemen". You are (would be) just replacing them with yourself. The only difference being that artists currently do have a choice between different labels, payment processors, etc. Whereas the Brave concept just inserts itself in the process without asking for permission, then holds the creator's money hostage until they sign.
  - kn8 8y ago
    That is very true. That's why I said cut out "most" of the middlemen. But fair point. This platform is kind of "on the side" and not in the middle though. It's not meant to affect how people listen to the music, how else they contribute to the bands (buying records, tickets, merch). This would just be a way of supporting the bands extra. I think Patreon is good, overall. This is similar but based on your "usage" and leveraging your Spotify account, and it's nice to bypass Spotify to support the band directly. I mean, Spotify gets enough money to run their service, but the bands don't.
rchaud 8y ago
Prior to Bandcamp, the only other times I can recall paying for digital music was for an obscure album on emusic.com, probably around 2007. The UX of the site and the app are really conducive for discovering new music, and fortunately the audience of BC is such that you wouldn't see a musical equivalent of Pewdiepie or Logan Paul shoehorned into your recommendations. And I especially love that "supporters" (buyers) are the only ones who can post comments on album pages. Keeps spam/trolling/abuse to nearly zero. Of course, the flip side of that coin is the feeling of doubt around how long a service like this can last without hitmakers that bring in larger audiences and revenues.
- kochthesecond 8y ago
  If I remember correctly, their revenue streams are looking fantastic. Not every internet business needs to be billion dollar unicorns to survive.
  - applecrazy 8y ago
    If that’s the case, why are they doing an ICO? I went to eMusic’s website and was greeted with a link to this: https://token.emusic.com https://token.emusic.com Blockchain? For music?? Needless to say, I’m a bit skeptical.
    - jorams 8y ago
      The comment you are responding to was talking about Bandcamp, not eMusic.
    - kochthesecond 8y ago
      Bandcamp, not eMusic!
patrickbolle 8y ago
Bandcamp is one of the few companies / platforms I use that is consistently doing things right for all their users. Musicians on Bandcamp are happy and getting paid a fair amount, listeners are happy and are provided a great interface. It's just lovely.
- tomduncalf 8y ago
  It’s a shame they don’t have a public API for these kinds of use cases, but I’m sure they have their reasons. Agreed that it’s a platform that just gives off good vibes!
  - anotheryou 8y ago
    The reason is probably they are just now trying to migrate away from wordpress XD (if I saw that right)
    - tomduncalf 8y ago
      Oh boy, in that case I wish them luck!
      - anotheryou 8y ago
        :) they do have an app already and checkout is migrated to something sane, too. Maybe the API used by the app could go public some time..
TarpitCarnivore 8y ago
I love that Bandcamp integrates lyrics into their player. It helps to re-create that intimate experience of listening to an album for the first time with your liner notes open.
chx 8y ago
Before bandcamp I used 7digital but eventually some (well, most) tracks I bought became unavailable. Bandcamp doesn't suffer from this. Also, the selection is beyond incredible, Journey from Mirabilis is so obscure it's not even on YouTube but gosh, that's some incredibly beautiful music, one of my favorites.
brianbreslin 8y ago
I like this idea, but I really don't need the originals, don't even want them. I would like a way to buy tickets to my favorite artists shows, merchandise, and other things like that.
- soared 8y ago
  If you go to the artist on spotify it will show you tour dates, merch, and lps if you scroll all the way to the bottom.
  - hmhrex 8y ago
    It's closer to the top on desktop! I wish it was higher up on mobile.
- tyrust 8y ago
  I use Songkick hooked up to my last.fm profile for concert alerts.
stevenicr 8y ago
I've been wanting something like this for my di.fm likes and shazam song finds.. I don't want to be each track each time - but it would be nice if every three months a system would put up a list and show what it would cost to buy each song and an option to get the whole album for each / any as well. I'd gladly support them and desire to have offline availability on demand - but don't want to do it one at a time. Batch quarterly, even yearly would be fine. I guess a monthly option would be cool too and used by some.

141 points by tomduncalf 8y ago

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One thing I already like about this is that it allows you to view top artists and top tracks. I bookmark it already, just for this. Maybe it'd be nicer if it already showed links to artists' Bandcamp accounts where you're certain one exists. Searching individually through a button barely provides less friction than copying the name and pasting it into Bandcamp's search. Nice about this model (beside being very easy to implement) is that you can easily add other platforms: My suggestion is Patreon.

tomduncalf 8y ago
Hey, thanks for the feedback! This was hacked together in an hour this morning so I wasn't able to go too deep but I'd like to try and improve it for sure. Sadly Bandcamp don't have a public API for searching any more, so I'd need to do some kind of scraping to ascertain whether an artist has a profile... not ideal I know! Patreon is a great idea, any other suggestions for destinations also welcome. Record shops is one possibility. I'm not sure if iTunes etc. is, not sure how much the artist sees from that!
- iicc 8y ago
  You could use the data from musicbrainz eg https://musicbrainz.org/artist/7d0e8067-10b9-4069-95dc-1110a0fbb877/relationships https://musicbrainz.org/artist/7d0e8067-10b9-4069-95dc-1110a...
  - tomduncalf 8y ago
    Wow, I didn’t know musicbrainz had that kind of info. Will look into that for sure, thanks for the pointer!
  - anentropic 8y ago
    it looks like it's not updated automatically from anywhere though e.g. I have three albums all released via CD Baby, Bandcamp and iTunes. If I search for myself in Musicbrainz I only find the first album, and I'm guessing I probably added that myself manually and didn't think to do it for the others, years later

justtopost 8y ago

Too bad all these solutions have at least 3 middlemen before the artist... Credit card, processor, bandcamp... and then the whole label, distribution, and management fees... its a great start, but as an artist, its only that. One person buying a tshirt, or coming to a concert makes me more than 100 internet store sales. Support your artist by seeing them live. And dance.

tomduncalf 8y ago
Yeah, I certainly don’t think this is the solution to the situation for artists these days. Just something to scratch a personal itch more than anything but I think it is interesting to think about ways it could expand into other ways of supporting artists (for example, live shows as you mention - I know Spotify does show these itself, but I like the idea of looking at your favourite artists from the last few months all in one place). But yeah, for those of us who live in areas where artists regularly play, there’s no substitute for going out and having a dance :)
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KozmoNau7 8y ago
>"Support your artist by seeing them live" Yes, absolutely the best way to support artists. Provided they actually tour in your area, obviously. I see a couple hundred artists every year, most of my free time is organized around concerts and festivals. I do try to buy some merch at most concerts to support the artists, but I have way too many band shirts at this point, and no more room for posters/flags, so I wish artists would branch out more when it comes to merch options. I love making battle vests (working on my fifth vest at the moment), so I nearly always make sure to pick up a patch or two. But I absolutely wouldn't mind keychains or lanyards or pins/badges or something else. Short of that, I do buy a lot more music on bandcamp now than I used to. Bandcamp's cut is a flat 15% (or 10% if you surpass $5000 in sales), and I know Paypal takes a cut as well. But it's still vastly superior to the old record label ripoff scheme.
- rchaud 8y ago

aquabeagle 8y ago

I wish all bands were on Bandcamp. It makes it so easy to buy albums in lossless formats (FLAC and ALAC) that I get frustrated when bands (usually more popular ones) aren't on it. Now I won't even buy their albums because I don't want them in MP3.

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danbee 8y ago
I recently discovered that 7digital (https://www.7digital.com https://www.7digital.com or https://us.7digital.com https://us.7digital.com in the US) sells FLAC downloads for many popular artists. I first check Bandcamp but if a band is not there I can usually find it on 7digital.
- KozmoNau7 8y ago
  Unfortunately only available in select regions.

kn8 8y ago

I've been thinking of doing something similar for a while! A service that continuously keeps track of what you're listening to and suggests donating to the bands. And if you could allow bands to claim the money via some kind of Brave BAT style mechanic, you could perhaps also cut out most of the middlemen. The main reason I haven't explored this further is – would enough people care enough to make this worthwhile?

IfOnlyYouKnew 8y ago
You, just like Brave, would not be "cutting out the middlemen". You are (would be) just replacing them with yourself. The only difference being that artists currently do have a choice between different labels, payment processors, etc. Whereas the Brave concept just inserts itself in the process without asking for permission, then holds the creator's money hostage until they sign.
- kn8 8y ago
  That is very true. That's why I said cut out "most" of the middlemen. But fair point. This platform is kind of "on the side" and not in the middle though. It's not meant to affect how people listen to the music, how else they contribute to the bands (buying records, tickets, merch). This would just be a way of supporting the bands extra. I think Patreon is good, overall. This is similar but based on your "usage" and leveraging your Spotify account, and it's nice to bypass Spotify to support the band directly. I mean, Spotify gets enough money to run their service, but the bands don't.

rchaud 8y ago

Prior to Bandcamp, the only other times I can recall paying for digital music was for an obscure album on emusic.com, probably around 2007. The UX of the site and the app are really conducive for discovering new music, and fortunately the audience of BC is such that you wouldn't see a musical equivalent of Pewdiepie or Logan Paul shoehorned into your recommendations. And I especially love that "supporters" (buyers) are the only ones who can post comments on album pages. Keeps spam/trolling/abuse to nearly zero. Of course, the flip side of that coin is the feeling of doubt around how long a service like this can last without hitmakers that bring in larger audiences and revenues.

kochthesecond 8y ago
If I remember correctly, their revenue streams are looking fantastic. Not every internet business needs to be billion dollar unicorns to survive.
- applecrazy 8y ago
  If that’s the case, why are they doing an ICO? I went to eMusic’s website and was greeted with a link to this: https://token.emusic.com https://token.emusic.com Blockchain? For music?? Needless to say, I’m a bit skeptical.
  - jorams 8y ago
    The comment you are responding to was talking about Bandcamp, not eMusic.
  - kochthesecond 8y ago
    Bandcamp, not eMusic!

patrickbolle 8y ago

Bandcamp is one of the few companies / platforms I use that is consistently doing things right for all their users. Musicians on Bandcamp are happy and getting paid a fair amount, listeners are happy and are provided a great interface. It's just lovely.

tomduncalf 8y ago
It’s a shame they don’t have a public API for these kinds of use cases, but I’m sure they have their reasons. Agreed that it’s a platform that just gives off good vibes!
- anotheryou 8y ago
  The reason is probably they are just now trying to migrate away from wordpress XD (if I saw that right)
  - tomduncalf 8y ago
    Oh boy, in that case I wish them luck!
    - anotheryou 8y ago
      :) they do have an app already and checkout is migrated to something sane, too. Maybe the API used by the app could go public some time..

TarpitCarnivore 8y ago

I love that Bandcamp integrates lyrics into their player. It helps to re-create that intimate experience of listening to an album for the first time with your liner notes open.

chx 8y ago

Before bandcamp I used 7digital but eventually some (well, most) tracks I bought became unavailable. Bandcamp doesn't suffer from this. Also, the selection is beyond incredible, Journey from Mirabilis is so obscure it's not even on YouTube but gosh, that's some incredibly beautiful music, one of my favorites.

brianbreslin 8y ago

I like this idea, but I really don't need the originals, don't even want them. I would like a way to buy tickets to my favorite artists shows, merchandise, and other things like that.

soared 8y ago
If you go to the artist on spotify it will show you tour dates, merch, and lps if you scroll all the way to the bottom.
- hmhrex 8y ago
  It's closer to the top on desktop! I wish it was higher up on mobile.
tyrust 8y ago
I use Songkick hooked up to my last.fm profile for concert alerts.

stevenicr 8y ago

I've been wanting something like this for my di.fm likes and shazam song finds.. I don't want to be each track each time - but it would be nice if every three months a system would put up a list and show what it would cost to buy each song and an option to get the whole album for each / any as well. I'd gladly support them and desire to have offline availability on demand - but don't want to do it one at a time. Batch quarterly, even yearly would be fine. I guess a monthly option would be cool too and used by some.