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I completely agree that it is hard to find things - and it is getting worse. If you search for a recipe for chicken soup, you now get a 20 page life history, fi

I completely agree that it is hard to find things - and it is getting worse. If you search for a recipe for chicken soup, you now get a 20 page life history, filled with ads (ha ha) and finally a recipe can be as perfunctory as "cook chicken in water". This is click-bait-world. In my opinion this comes from intrusive advertising as the business model for the internet. (See Bruce Schneier).

ginko 8y ago
Maybe there should be a search engine for the non-tracking web.
- chongli 8y ago
  Yes! That is a brilliant idea. It would be straightforward to implement. Just exclude any page that loads resources from any domain on the major ad-blocking lists. Heck, I'd go even further and create a JavaScript-and-third-party-cookie-free search engine. Block any domains that host tracking pixel images too. Bring back the old web!
- zokier 8y ago
  I know that's not what you meant, but isn't that essentially what AMP is? How well that then turned out...
  - ravenstine 8y ago
    AMP isn't about not having trackers... it just means implementing trackers and ads the AMP/Google way. I'm pretty sure that Google doesn't treat AMP pages any differently based on the number of trackers so long as the pages are considered "valid" AMP.
floren 8y ago
I want a search engine that deprioritizes results based on the number of trackers or ads on the page. Like, rank = (relevance * 1.0) + (trackers * -0.5) + (ads * -0.5).
- talkingtab 8y ago
  A brilliant idea! I'm in if anyone want talks about how to do this. Whats the best way to host a discussion? Slack/github/other?
  - ravenstine 8y ago
    I think Github would get higher visibility, and there also wouldn't be a limit on comment history.
    - talkingtab 8y ago
      I set up a github thing if anyone is interested. https://github.com/talkingtab/no-track-web https://github.com/talkingtab/no-track-web
- headgasket 8y ago
  That's an awesome idea; which leads me to think, what would be needed to experiment with alternative page ranks and levels of bubble-encapsulation? What resources are out there from which one could experiment-- as crawling the whole web is too large of an endeavour? How about a distributed database of the text-internet that anyone could clone and build indexes from? A layered approach? This must surely already exist?
  - ss2003 8y ago
    You don't need to crawl the web yourself. http://commoncrawl.org/ http://commoncrawl.org/ will give you the data for free. It's a little out of date by the time you get it but that shouldn't effect a project like this.
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  - Torwald 8y ago
    You could build another Google, why not?

ginko 8y ago

Maybe there should be a search engine for the non-tracking web.

chongli 8y ago
Yes! That is a brilliant idea. It would be straightforward to implement. Just exclude any page that loads resources from any domain on the major ad-blocking lists. Heck, I'd go even further and create a JavaScript-and-third-party-cookie-free search engine. Block any domains that host tracking pixel images too. Bring back the old web!
zokier 8y ago
I know that's not what you meant, but isn't that essentially what AMP is? How well that then turned out...
- ravenstine 8y ago
  AMP isn't about not having trackers... it just means implementing trackers and ads the AMP/Google way. I'm pretty sure that Google doesn't treat AMP pages any differently based on the number of trackers so long as the pages are considered "valid" AMP.

floren 8y ago

I want a search engine that deprioritizes results based on the number of trackers or ads on the page. Like, rank = (relevance * 1.0) + (trackers * -0.5) + (ads * -0.5).

talkingtab 8y ago
A brilliant idea! I'm in if anyone want talks about how to do this. Whats the best way to host a discussion? Slack/github/other?
- ravenstine 8y ago
  I think Github would get higher visibility, and there also wouldn't be a limit on comment history.
  - talkingtab 8y ago
    I set up a github thing if anyone is interested. https://github.com/talkingtab/no-track-web https://github.com/talkingtab/no-track-web
headgasket 8y ago
That's an awesome idea; which leads me to think, what would be needed to experiment with alternative page ranks and levels of bubble-encapsulation? What resources are out there from which one could experiment-- as crawling the whole web is too large of an endeavour? How about a distributed database of the text-internet that anyone could clone and build indexes from? A layered approach? This must surely already exist?
- ss2003 8y ago
  You don't need to crawl the web yourself. http://commoncrawl.org/ http://commoncrawl.org/ will give you the data for free. It's a little out of date by the time you get it but that shouldn't effect a project like this.
- deleted 8y ago
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- Torwald 8y ago
  You could build another Google, why not?