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I'm not sure why a bank building a 3 story building can't accomodate some underground/roof parking? Or just make the carpark space the bank would have made mult

I'm not sure why a bank building a 3 story building can't accomodate some underground/roof parking? Or just make the carpark space the bank would have made multi level. I don't see why the only solution was to go horizontal, for a bank of all companies!

slyall 8y ago
Ballpark construction costs: Surface parking $3,000 per space Multistory $20,000 per space Underground $30,000 per space
- sschueller 8y ago
  Don't let them decide on cost. It's the cities job to put regulations in place to require underground parking when building certain structures. It is also their job to calculate in the additional toll on traffic as well as public transport in order to plan future expansion.
  - slyall 8y ago
    So you are saying that the town (8000 people) should have required the bank to put in 200 "additional" underground parking spaces? A town with a regulation like that won't spend much time planning future expansion.
  - Arnt 8y ago
    We have that kind of regulation where I live, including a requirement for off-street parking per apartments that pushes builders strongly towards underground parking. Now people complain about the rents, because of course the added construction cost ends up increasing the rent, and about a lack of new affordable housing. You see the same thing in the original story — some popular restaurant decided not to expand because of the cost of parking. Mandating expensive extras sucks, one way or another.
    - varjag 8y ago
      That's not extras, that's paying for the externalities you otherwise incur upon others.
      - Arnt 8y ago
        About half the residents in such apartments have no car.
        varjag 8y ago
        Interesting, because here nearly everyone wealthy enough to buy a central, newly commissioned apartment (ballpark of million dollars) does own a car.
        TomMarius 8y ago
        Not in Europe. Cars aren't really practical anywhere near city centres.
        varjag 8y ago
        I am in Norway, not even in the capital.
        TomMarius 8y ago
        Owning a car in city such as Munich, Berlin, Frankfurt, Prague, Brno... is significant pain, and it costs you a lot to even keep that car on the street (if you can find a place - you can't). As a result, people in many historical cities with compact greater city centres (where there simply is not enough land to even theoretically accommodate 1 car per household) simply don't own a car, because why. Probably more than half of the people living in the building where I do don't have a car, many of my coworkers don't...
        varjag 8y ago
  - CalRobert 8y ago
    What basis, exactly, should they decide on? For a bank of all places they will know what an absurd waste an underground parking garage is. Here's an analysis showing how absurdly expensive it is to make build built little houses for cars that are empty most of the time any time we want to do anything. https://www.portlandoregon.gov/bps/article/420062 https://www.portlandoregon.gov/bps/article/420062
  - xte 8y ago
    Underground parking may pose many problems for instance if you are in a flood-frequent area, if the ground is not so easy to modify etc. Sometimes maybe an option but not always.
- kachurovskiy 8y ago
  Not only that, it can run up to $500 or more per underground parking spot in maintenance per year for electricity, physical space and entrance maintenance, fire safety systems and obligatory insurances. Additionally, you might not be allowed to store anything except a car in your space and not allowed to perform any activities there except driving in or out (no small car repairs!). What if you're alone with a baby and shopping bags and there's no elevator? Compare this to an outside parking space: none of that applies. I'd love to hide all the cars away from the street but I didn't realize all these differences until I got myself an underground spot.
MRD85 8y ago
In a small town, it's cheaper to go horizontal. Maybe in SF it makes sense to go vertical but not in a place where land is cheap.
- CalRobert 8y ago
  The trouble is that requiring the parking is a big part of what makes places impossible or unpleasant to walk in in the first place. That bank would have been part of a nice walkable street but (if required to build all the parking) would be part of just another American asphalt hellscape. And who wants to walk in that?
  - MRD85 8y ago
    I agree but I was commenting on economics. Western cities seemed to be planned around cars as opposed to walking and public transport. In my country we have the ideal of a large suburban house with a yard. This takes up space, which causes cities to spread out and cars become the norm.
seanmcdirmid 8y ago
A parking garage in sandpoint sounds a bit excessive. It isn’t Spokane.

slyall 8y ago

Ballpark construction costs: Surface parking $3,000 per space Multistory $20,000 per space Underground $30,000 per space

sschueller 8y ago
Don't let them decide on cost. It's the cities job to put regulations in place to require underground parking when building certain structures. It is also their job to calculate in the additional toll on traffic as well as public transport in order to plan future expansion.
- slyall 8y ago
  So you are saying that the town (8000 people) should have required the bank to put in 200 "additional" underground parking spaces? A town with a regulation like that won't spend much time planning future expansion.
- Arnt 8y ago
  We have that kind of regulation where I live, including a requirement for off-street parking per apartments that pushes builders strongly towards underground parking. Now people complain about the rents, because of course the added construction cost ends up increasing the rent, and about a lack of new affordable housing. You see the same thing in the original story — some popular restaurant decided not to expand because of the cost of parking. Mandating expensive extras sucks, one way or another.
  - varjag 8y ago
    That's not extras, that's paying for the externalities you otherwise incur upon others.
    - Arnt 8y ago
      About half the residents in such apartments have no car.
      - varjag 8y ago
        Interesting, because here nearly everyone wealthy enough to buy a central, newly commissioned apartment (ballpark of million dollars) does own a car.
        TomMarius 8y ago
        Not in Europe. Cars aren't really practical anywhere near city centres.
        varjag 8y ago
        I am in Norway, not even in the capital.
        TomMarius 8y ago
        Owning a car in city such as Munich, Berlin, Frankfurt, Prague, Brno... is significant pain, and it costs you a lot to even keep that car on the street (if you can find a place - you can't). As a result, people in many historical cities with compact greater city centres (where there simply is not enough land to even theoretically accommodate 1 car per household) simply don't own a car, because why. Probably more than half of the people living in the building where I do don't have a car, many of my coworkers don't...
        varjag 8y ago
- CalRobert 8y ago
  What basis, exactly, should they decide on? For a bank of all places they will know what an absurd waste an underground parking garage is. Here's an analysis showing how absurdly expensive it is to make build built little houses for cars that are empty most of the time any time we want to do anything. https://www.portlandoregon.gov/bps/article/420062 https://www.portlandoregon.gov/bps/article/420062
- xte 8y ago
  Underground parking may pose many problems for instance if you are in a flood-frequent area, if the ground is not so easy to modify etc. Sometimes maybe an option but not always.
kachurovskiy 8y ago
Not only that, it can run up to $500 or more per underground parking spot in maintenance per year for electricity, physical space and entrance maintenance, fire safety systems and obligatory insurances. Additionally, you might not be allowed to store anything except a car in your space and not allowed to perform any activities there except driving in or out (no small car repairs!). What if you're alone with a baby and shopping bags and there's no elevator? Compare this to an outside parking space: none of that applies. I'd love to hide all the cars away from the street but I didn't realize all these differences until I got myself an underground spot.

MRD85 8y ago

In a small town, it's cheaper to go horizontal. Maybe in SF it makes sense to go vertical but not in a place where land is cheap.

CalRobert 8y ago
The trouble is that requiring the parking is a big part of what makes places impossible or unpleasant to walk in in the first place. That bank would have been part of a nice walkable street but (if required to build all the parking) would be part of just another American asphalt hellscape. And who wants to walk in that?
- MRD85 8y ago
  I agree but I was commenting on economics. Western cities seemed to be planned around cars as opposed to walking and public transport. In my country we have the ideal of a large suburban house with a yard. This takes up space, which causes cities to spread out and cars become the norm.

seanmcdirmid 8y ago

A parking garage in sandpoint sounds a bit excessive. It isn’t Spokane.