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That's all well and good but in certain niches you need custom graphics. A good example is gaming, have you seen how beautiful the blizzard client is? Steam is

That's all well and good but in certain niches you need custom graphics. A good example is gaming, have you seen how beautiful the blizzard client is? Steam is nice too. Users of these apps don't care about a unified experience with the rest of the win32 ecosystem, in some ways these apps are a different ecosystem unto themselves. I was trying to write a poker client so same thing, using normal buttons just wouldn't have made any sense. It would've been ugly as hell. Modern UIs stray from a standard because standards are boring and if your app is boring then your not so boring competitor will snatch your users.

jen20 8y ago
Your “boring” is a blind persons “basically usable”. Standards exist for a reason. I actively judge apps with non-platform-standard UIs as worse than an equivalent with a standard UI.
- CuriouslyC 8y ago
  While I appreciate inclusivity, software isn't just utilitarian, it's also aesthetic. when it comes to aesthetics, slavish adherence to the lowest common denominator is a cancer... By analogy, would you like it if all books were written for a fourth grade reading level because some people can't handle more complexity? Or if the plots of all movies and television shows were simple enough for an idiot to follow?
  - int_19h 8y ago
    Complexity is not an issue here, though, and in general the "boring" UIs tend to be the more complex ones, in terms of exposing more features etc. It's the custom-made ones that often trend towards fourth grade reading level...
    - CuriouslyC 8y ago
      Ironically, you got lost in the analogy. I'm not talking about interface complexity, but any intentional deviation from maximal accessibility (at least when it serves an aesthetic purpose).
  - copperx 8y ago
    > Or if the plots of all movies and television shows were simple enough for an idiot to follow? That covers about 90% of Hollywood's output, and the reason for that is that you want a wide audience to purchase tickets. Only people that are good at navigating new interfaces appreciate novelty. That's a niche audience, but it intersects with the gamer audience (they're good at exploring new environments).
- jack_pp 8y ago
  Most games can not be played by a blind audience. There are enough exceptions that whatever API you are using should accomodate developers in those cases. If people want custom UIs they'll get them somehow, you putting unnecessary roadblocks in the way will only annoy developers. Managers don't care how you do it, they just want it done.
  - rhengles 8y ago
    In Brazil we have a saying, "I don't care if the duck is male, I want eggs!"
jenscow 8y ago
> It would've been ugly as hell. That's because the underlying widget set is as ugly as hell.

jen20 8y ago

Your “boring” is a blind persons “basically usable”. Standards exist for a reason. I actively judge apps with non-platform-standard UIs as worse than an equivalent with a standard UI.

CuriouslyC 8y ago
While I appreciate inclusivity, software isn't just utilitarian, it's also aesthetic. when it comes to aesthetics, slavish adherence to the lowest common denominator is a cancer... By analogy, would you like it if all books were written for a fourth grade reading level because some people can't handle more complexity? Or if the plots of all movies and television shows were simple enough for an idiot to follow?
- int_19h 8y ago
  Complexity is not an issue here, though, and in general the "boring" UIs tend to be the more complex ones, in terms of exposing more features etc. It's the custom-made ones that often trend towards fourth grade reading level...
  - CuriouslyC 8y ago
    Ironically, you got lost in the analogy. I'm not talking about interface complexity, but any intentional deviation from maximal accessibility (at least when it serves an aesthetic purpose).
- copperx 8y ago
  > Or if the plots of all movies and television shows were simple enough for an idiot to follow? That covers about 90% of Hollywood's output, and the reason for that is that you want a wide audience to purchase tickets. Only people that are good at navigating new interfaces appreciate novelty. That's a niche audience, but it intersects with the gamer audience (they're good at exploring new environments).
jack_pp 8y ago
Most games can not be played by a blind audience. There are enough exceptions that whatever API you are using should accomodate developers in those cases. If people want custom UIs they'll get them somehow, you putting unnecessary roadblocks in the way will only annoy developers. Managers don't care how you do it, they just want it done.
- rhengles 8y ago
  In Brazil we have a saying, "I don't care if the duck is male, I want eggs!"

jenscow 8y ago

> It would've been ugly as hell. That's because the underlying widget set is as ugly as hell.