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> ... margin wasn't the problem because 30% of nothing is nothing, and his issue is no one discovering his games. Doesn't that make the 30% all the more proble

by Reedx 8y ago

> ... margin wasn't the problem because 30% of nothing is nothing, and his issue is no one discovering his games. Doesn't that make the 30% all the more problematic? If you have to bring eyes to your Steam page anyway, you might as well just sell direct. From Grey Alien, "In the past I have felt positive about Steam, but these discovery changes and the recent revenue share changes that are only relevant to hugely successful games don’t make me feel particularly positive about the future of selling games on Steam."

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DuskStar 8y ago
I can say with confidence that I am much more willing to drop $5 on a game via Steam than <random 3rd party site>. Aside from the obvious "is this a scam" aspects, Steam means that I will have the game even when the dev goes under in 5 years, that my save states will be backed up, and that at least some of the reviews might not be faked. That 30% might be painful, but at the same time Steam provides a LOT of utility to the buyer.
- belltaco 8y ago
  How is the Epic launcher 'a random third party site' ? Especially someone that already has Fortnite or has heard of it enough to know its maker is not going to be a credit card skimmer.
  - Brockenstein 8y ago
    Way more people use Steam than Epic Launcher. The oldest Steam accounts are 15 years old now, people have been using it for a long time when it was largely the only game in town. People may use another company's platform because they have to to play a certain game. But a lot of times it's just that other platform trying to be Steam, but not in the same league.
    - tapoxi 8y ago
      Are we sure that's true? Fortnite is the most popular game in the world right now.
      - kbenson 8y ago
        Steam[1] still has more peak concurrent users than Fortnite at 14 million if you add the games up, while Fortnite is over 8 million[2]. Fortnite does have a huge install base, but I imagine most of them that need a store (i.e. not consoles, so basically PCs) already have Steam, and at least one game in it. For new users that don't have steam, there might be an inventive to use the Epic games launcher, especially if there's a discount, but having games split across two systems is really annoying (but it's not too bad for one game), so I imagine without an incentive most existing Steam users will opt out, thus preserving Steam's dominance. 1: https://store.steampowered.com/stats/ https://store.steampowered.com/stats/ 2: https://thenextweb.com/gaming/2018/11/08/fortnites-concurrent-players-now-number-over-8-3-million/ https://thenextweb.com/gaming/2018/11/08/fortnites-concurren...
        ArchTypical 8y ago
        > I imagine most of them that need a store (i.e. not consoles, so basically PCs) already have Steam, and at least one game in it 125 million fortnite installs - https://www.businessinsider.com/fortnite-size-statistics-players-worldwide-2018-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/fortnite-size-statistics-pla... 70+ million steam installs - https://galyonk.in/steam-in-2017-129c0e6be260 https://galyonk.in/steam-in-2017-129c0e6be260 Not saying what's right and what's wrong but I heard these kind of numbers reported after the announcement. I see a lot of different numbers being thrown around and I'm not sure what to believe anymore. Steamcharts consistently surprises me at how few people play the popular games I like, so I'm beginning to think Steam isn't as big.
        kbenson 8y ago
        Here's a more recent source[1] (unfortunately poorly sourced, but it does have a timestamp for each item). It shows 200 million installs (11/11), but 74.2 million iOS installs (11/7), 11.5 million downloads on the switch (10/30). Android usage is complex, because it's still only available officially to Samsung Galaxy devices, but the amount of players looks like it might be similar to iOS (there are usage numbers from the link, but for different times). So, just from the total installs number and the somewhat recent iOS and Nintendo Switch numbers, we can put the maximum number of PC installs at around 114 million, before we account for Xbox (released mid 2017), PS4 (released mid-2017) and Android (Samsung Galaxy only but I think it may well be in the tens of millions anyway, especially since there are tutorials on how to get it on other devices). I think that will leave us well within the territory where Steam and Fortnite have a largely overlapping PC user base. > Steamcharts consistently surprises me at how few people play the popular games I like, so I'm beginning to think Steam isn't as big. I think most people just don't game on PC as much anymore. Most PC games are available for consoles now too, and it's much cheaper to buy a new console every few years than to keep a gaming PC updated. My brother bought a keyboard and mouse for his PS4, and played Overwatch with that. Probably just as good an experience as the PC version for much cheaper total platform cost over time. 1: https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/fortnite-facts-and-statistics/ https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/fortnite-facts-and-s...
  - krageon 8y ago
    It is a random third-party site to anyone that doesn't play Fortnite, which is a lot of people.
- grawprog 8y ago
  Steam also has the bonus of supporting linux releases and I can go into just about any store and buy a $20 or $50 steam card I can use to add money to my account without using PayPal or linking a bank account or credit card. Thesemuch the only reasons I use steam. Though I have to admit, their refund policy has been pretty great so far. I've heard of the horror stories of steam but I don't play a lot of multiplayer games and don't interact on the community or anything so I think it should be ok. I am kind of leery of the idea of not really owning any of the games I buy and the possibility of them being taken away. But i'm guessing epic's store may work like this also.

by Reedx 8y ago

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DuskStar 8y ago

I can say with confidence that I am much more willing to drop $5 on a game via Steam than <random 3rd party site>. Aside from the obvious "is this a scam" aspects, Steam means that I will have the game even when the dev goes under in 5 years, that my save states will be backed up, and that at least some of the reviews might not be faked. That 30% might be painful, but at the same time Steam provides a LOT of utility to the buyer.

belltaco 8y ago
How is the Epic launcher 'a random third party site' ? Especially someone that already has Fortnite or has heard of it enough to know its maker is not going to be a credit card skimmer.
- Brockenstein 8y ago
  Way more people use Steam than Epic Launcher. The oldest Steam accounts are 15 years old now, people have been using it for a long time when it was largely the only game in town. People may use another company's platform because they have to to play a certain game. But a lot of times it's just that other platform trying to be Steam, but not in the same league.
  - tapoxi 8y ago
    Are we sure that's true? Fortnite is the most popular game in the world right now.
    - kbenson 8y ago
      Steam[1] still has more peak concurrent users than Fortnite at 14 million if you add the games up, while Fortnite is over 8 million[2]. Fortnite does have a huge install base, but I imagine most of them that need a store (i.e. not consoles, so basically PCs) already have Steam, and at least one game in it. For new users that don't have steam, there might be an inventive to use the Epic games launcher, especially if there's a discount, but having games split across two systems is really annoying (but it's not too bad for one game), so I imagine without an incentive most existing Steam users will opt out, thus preserving Steam's dominance. 1: https://store.steampowered.com/stats/ https://store.steampowered.com/stats/ 2: https://thenextweb.com/gaming/2018/11/08/fortnites-concurrent-players-now-number-over-8-3-million/ https://thenextweb.com/gaming/2018/11/08/fortnites-concurren...
      - ArchTypical 8y ago
        > I imagine most of them that need a store (i.e. not consoles, so basically PCs) already have Steam, and at least one game in it 125 million fortnite installs - https://www.businessinsider.com/fortnite-size-statistics-players-worldwide-2018-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/fortnite-size-statistics-pla... 70+ million steam installs - https://galyonk.in/steam-in-2017-129c0e6be260 https://galyonk.in/steam-in-2017-129c0e6be260 Not saying what's right and what's wrong but I heard these kind of numbers reported after the announcement. I see a lot of different numbers being thrown around and I'm not sure what to believe anymore. Steamcharts consistently surprises me at how few people play the popular games I like, so I'm beginning to think Steam isn't as big.
        kbenson 8y ago
        Here's a more recent source[1] (unfortunately poorly sourced, but it does have a timestamp for each item). It shows 200 million installs (11/11), but 74.2 million iOS installs (11/7), 11.5 million downloads on the switch (10/30). Android usage is complex, because it's still only available officially to Samsung Galaxy devices, but the amount of players looks like it might be similar to iOS (there are usage numbers from the link, but for different times). So, just from the total installs number and the somewhat recent iOS and Nintendo Switch numbers, we can put the maximum number of PC installs at around 114 million, before we account for Xbox (released mid 2017), PS4 (released mid-2017) and Android (Samsung Galaxy only but I think it may well be in the tens of millions anyway, especially since there are tutorials on how to get it on other devices). I think that will leave us well within the territory where Steam and Fortnite have a largely overlapping PC user base. > Steamcharts consistently surprises me at how few people play the popular games I like, so I'm beginning to think Steam isn't as big. I think most people just don't game on PC as much anymore. Most PC games are available for consoles now too, and it's much cheaper to buy a new console every few years than to keep a gaming PC updated. My brother bought a keyboard and mouse for his PS4, and played Overwatch with that. Probably just as good an experience as the PC version for much cheaper total platform cost over time. 1: https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/fortnite-facts-and-statistics/ https://expandedramblings.com/index.php/fortnite-facts-and-s...
- krageon 8y ago
  It is a random third-party site to anyone that doesn't play Fortnite, which is a lot of people.
grawprog 8y ago
Steam also has the bonus of supporting linux releases and I can go into just about any store and buy a $20 or $50 steam card I can use to add money to my account without using PayPal or linking a bank account or credit card. Thesemuch the only reasons I use steam. Though I have to admit, their refund policy has been pretty great so far. I've heard of the horror stories of steam but I don't play a lot of multiplayer games and don't interact on the community or anything so I think it should be ok. I am kind of leery of the idea of not really owning any of the games I buy and the possibility of them being taken away. But i'm guessing epic's store may work like this also.