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Moral culpability depends on perspective. It’s not absolute. In some societies it’s immoral to consume alcohol, in others it’s immoral to get a divorce or use e
by flyinglizard 8y ago
Moral culpability depends on perspective. It’s not absolute. In some societies it’s immoral to consume alcohol, in others it’s immoral to get a divorce or use electricity on Saturdays.
From the perspective of NSO developers, they are helping prevent the next attack against civilians somewhere. I can’t fault them for that.
- objektif 8y agoKilling people is immoral in any society. If you have an average IQ you understand eventually what your product will be used for.
- javagram 8y ago> Killing people is immoral in any society Most societies make an exception for killing enemies of the state. Soldiers are seen as heroes fighting for their country not as immoral killers.
- airstrike 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_ad_bellum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_ad_bellum
- oh-kumudo 8y agoGuns, cars and knives can kill people too. Also drugs and alcohol, how about banning people working on those stuff?
- objektif 8y agoWent over your head didnt it? Nobody is talking about banning software. Here we are talking about developing software that is specifically designed for governments for hacking phones and spying on citizens.
- oh-kumudo 8y agoWho would know it is deployed on another countries' citizens? If anything it is the Saudi who chose to use it, why shift the blame to the original developer? Hope you understand the point now.
- 14 8y agoI wonder if the Sentinelese find it immoral?
- objektif 8y agoLooks like they find it less immoral than manipulating people into believing fake religious stuff.
- int_19h 8y agoMurdering people is immoral in any society, but whether a given slaying constitutes murder or not varies widely. There's justifiable self-defense, capital punishment etc.
- tareqak 8y agoNow, NSO developers can have a frank and honest dialog with their leadership about how they made it possible to carry out an attack against a civilian somewhere similar to the dialog between Google employees and their leadership concerning Operation Dragonfly.
- nbsd4life 8y agoGoogle has 100 times as many employs as NSO group. The equivalent for a group of 100 Google employees signing a petition is one person signing it. They can just be fired & replaced.
- eli_gottlieb 8y agoThat's not a difference in what's right and what's wrong. It's a disagreement over what the developers are actually doing.
- oculusthrift 8y agowhy are you discussing moral relativism so boldly as if it’s a fact. it’s that postmodernist philosophy that’s totally degraded society. in some societies it’s “immoral” not to rape someone as punishment or to not kill a “unclean” ethnicity and your definition supports that
- flyinglizard 8y agoOnly the recognition of relative morality is modern. Moral always differed between region and cultures, but our crusading ancestors said it’s only their moral that’s correct and tried to fix other societies to conform.
- 0db532a0 8y agoMoral relativism deals with the idea that there is no fact in morality.
- abalone 8y ago> From the perspective of NSO developers, they are helping prevent the next attack against civilians somewhere. I can’t fault them for that. They are selling spy software to regimes that are known to kill civilians. Ergo they are not preventing attacks against civilians; they are enabling attacks against civilians. No moral relativism necessary. Even with respect to Israel’s “counter” terrorism efforts, if the NSO development team’s motivation is to prevent attacks on civilians, then enabling Israel to attack and kill civilians is something for which they are morally culpable.