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Is it really any cheaper to build things in China? There are enough broke-ass places in the US where you could open a plant and offer $9 an hour and get the cre

Is it really any cheaper to build things in China? There are enough broke-ass places in the US where you could open a plant and offer $9 an hour and get the cream of the crop

fooker 8y ago
Can you get ~1000 9$ an hour employees with engineering degrees though? In China and most of Asia, you easily can. While these people won't be MIT grads, you can expect significantly higher scientific temperament compared to $MiddleOfNowhere, Utah.
- RamanathanR 8y ago
  You have hit the nail on the head. The reason that Silicon Valley has so many of the Chinese/Indian/Other nationalities is simply because of the volume of available "Good Enough" Engineering talent. In most of these cultures a Master's degree is almost the norm. With this in hand, the practical aspects can often be learnt in training/on-the-job. Given that much of Modern Engineering has been systematically streamlined and commoditized, you really don't need very much "Creative" and "Out-of-the-Box" thinking as much as people who can manage and contribute within the existing framework and systems.
- thrower123 8y ago
  I assume you can, because holy fuck, are these supposedly engineering grads that I deal with from tata and cognizent and att and others of these gawdawful out sourcing outfitz, fucking terrible. I wouldn't hire for them to mow my lawn. I can't express my distaste such companies any more without entering explicit territory.
  - fooker 8y ago
    > I wouldn't hire for them to mow my lawn You wouldn't but enough people are, apparently, hiring them to do quite a lot of IT work nobody else would touch. Otherwise their business model wouldn't work at all.
    - thrower123 8y ago
      It's sad, but apparently that is the case. I feel badly for those companies
adventured 8y ago
$9 / hour, the cream of what crop? What in the world are you talking about? Nationally Walmart is at $11, Target is at $12 and Amazon is at $15. Outside of convenience stores and fast food, increasingly that's your floor now. Your $9 would actually be $30 / hour, at the absolute minimum. And you'd never get enough employees.
- thrower123 8y ago
  $9 an hour gets you better than average wages in a lot of places. I was getting 12 as a qualified heavy equipment operator not not long ago.
withhighprod 8y ago
You srsly don’t know how much money people make in Chengdu. It’s about 3000-5000RMB pretax($700) per month.what you offers $9/h equals to 13k RMB a month, which is an absurdly high income. People will fight death for that job EDIT: $700/month is a really really decent number anywhere outside Tier-1 cities in China. $2000/month you get pretty decent fresh PhDs

Is it really any cheaper to build things in China? There are enough broke-ass places in the US where you could open a plant and offer $9 an hour and get the cream of the crop

fooker 8y ago

Can you get ~1000 9$ an hour employees with engineering degrees though? In China and most of Asia, you easily can. While these people won't be MIT grads, you can expect significantly higher scientific temperament compared to $MiddleOfNowhere, Utah.

RamanathanR 8y ago
You have hit the nail on the head. The reason that Silicon Valley has so many of the Chinese/Indian/Other nationalities is simply because of the volume of available "Good Enough" Engineering talent. In most of these cultures a Master's degree is almost the norm. With this in hand, the practical aspects can often be learnt in training/on-the-job. Given that much of Modern Engineering has been systematically streamlined and commoditized, you really don't need very much "Creative" and "Out-of-the-Box" thinking as much as people who can manage and contribute within the existing framework and systems.
thrower123 8y ago
I assume you can, because holy fuck, are these supposedly engineering grads that I deal with from tata and cognizent and att and others of these gawdawful out sourcing outfitz, fucking terrible. I wouldn't hire for them to mow my lawn. I can't express my distaste such companies any more without entering explicit territory.
- fooker 8y ago
  > I wouldn't hire for them to mow my lawn You wouldn't but enough people are, apparently, hiring them to do quite a lot of IT work nobody else would touch. Otherwise their business model wouldn't work at all.
  - thrower123 8y ago
    It's sad, but apparently that is the case. I feel badly for those companies

adventured 8y ago

$9 / hour, the cream of what crop? What in the world are you talking about? Nationally Walmart is at $11, Target is at $12 and Amazon is at $15. Outside of convenience stores and fast food, increasingly that's your floor now. Your $9 would actually be $30 / hour, at the absolute minimum. And you'd never get enough employees.

thrower123 8y ago
$9 an hour gets you better than average wages in a lot of places. I was getting 12 as a qualified heavy equipment operator not not long ago.

withhighprod 8y ago

You srsly don’t know how much money people make in Chengdu. It’s about 3000-5000RMB pretax($700) per month.what you offers $9/h equals to 13k RMB a month, which is an absurdly high income. People will fight death for that job EDIT: $700/month is a really really decent number anywhere outside Tier-1 cities in China. $2000/month you get pretty decent fresh PhDs