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Didn't Google just recently rewrite the infrastructure that supports Hangouts? IIRC that caused many Google Voice integrations to break, as they ripped out what

Didn't Google just recently rewrite the infrastructure that supports Hangouts? IIRC that caused many Google Voice integrations to break, as they ripped out what was left of their siloed XMPP stack. Why invest all this labor, only to announce shutdown of Hangouts a few months later?

0x54D5 8y ago
The new Google Chat for G Suites is actually not even chat. Each chatroom is a collection of Google Wave style cards that jump over each other as activity happens in different ones. The experience is so bad I wrote a blog post about it here. https://technex.us/2018/11/google_chat_is_the_worst_desktop_chat_program_I_have_ever_used/ https://technex.us/2018/11/google_chat_is_the_worst_desktop_...
- brazzledazzle 8y ago
  We used it as a backup one day when our normal chat service went down. I closed it within 5 minutes and I didn’t even hit your issues which are way worse. What a shit show.
- kageneko 8y ago
  Uggh. Yeah. We've been required to use it at work, if we want real-time chat. We were using Slack before, but it was taken off the authorization list. I made a long list of things that was wrong with it while we were with it. The notifications are the worst so far. Constant notification spam for every single message. I disabled everything ... and it still sent them. I had to turn them off in iOS.
taurath 8y ago
Because people at google need promotions and launches are one of the few good ways to get them.
- rixrax 8y ago
  Or maybe they are too busy protesting[0][1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][..] instead of focusing on product ;-) Interestingly, before 2017, very few (no?) public news of them employees walking out or protesting publicly @ Google. It's almost like Sergey going to the airport to protest opened the floodgates[6]. The Times They Are a-Changin' (or no good deed goes unpunished...). [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/27/read-google-employees-open-letter-protesting-project-dragonfly.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/27/read-google-employees-open-l... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/01/google-employees-worldwide-begin-walkout-over-allegations-sexual-harassment-inequality-within-company/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f346e580366b https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/01/google-em... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/technology/google-employees-protest-search-censored-china.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/technology/google-employe... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/technology/google-letter-ceo-pentagon-project.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/technology/google-letter-... [4] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/google-employees-protest-trump.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/google-employees-protest-tru... [5] https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/07/542020041/google-grapples-with-fallout-after-employee-slams-diversity-efforts https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/07/542020041... [6] https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14428262/google-sergey-brin https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14428262/google-sergey-br... [7] https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/google-employees-speak-out-about-government-spying/ https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/google-employees-s... [8] https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/01/sopa-blackout-wikipedia-google-wired-join-protest-against-internet-censorship/ https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/01/sopa-blackou... [..] https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/10/12/whoops-google-engineer-accidentally-makes-his-plus-sucks-rant-public/#b9697f26cb4f https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/10/12/whoops-g...
  - aokiji 8y ago
    I am sorry for your downvotes. This was another hit-and-run by globalist manipulators and their far-left islamofascist pawns.
  - zapzupnz 8y ago
    Google's been killing their products left, right, and centre long before this whole thing. Absolutely no link.
- nojvek 8y ago
  That’s usually the case for any big corporation. I think Google is at a place where it feels they have too many cooks. Just focus on the core things like Apple.
  - null000 8y ago
    I'm thoroughly convinced one of the strategies of large tech companies is to suck all the air out of the room when it comes to engineer talent. I've seen the inside of these corporations - most of the stuff people work on is way below their pay grade (even if it still technically needs to get done) yet they still have a ridiculously rigorous interview process and somehow manage to hire like crazy with salaries and benefits way better than a startup can offer. It just doesn't make sense unless the goal is to deprive potential up and coming competitors of talent.
    - konschubert 8y ago
      I don't think that strategy is very effective though. The supply of developers is quite elastic in the long term and it just drives competitors to increase their engineering efficiency.
      - taurath 8y ago
        Also to pay more than they would normally.
  - sigi45 8y ago
    Sry what? Google has enough very good products which shows what Google is doing. Yes they have some issues with wave, talk, hangout and duo but also have gmail, search, drive, etc. Apple not always gets it right and Google also.
- Zarel 8y ago
  The problem is, they haven't even launched anything to replace Hangouts!
  - JVIDEL 8y ago
    Think they will? anyway, what really worries me right now is what's going to happen with all those stored hangout conversations, will those still be accessible? will users be allowed to download them? or everything is getting deleted?
    - Zarel 8y ago
      https://twitter.com/happyinwater/status/1068861340800958466 https://twitter.com/happyinwater/status/1068861340800958466 Apparently they'll be migrated to Hangouts Chat. My Project Fi calling/texting from computer features are in limbo, though.

0x54D5 8y ago

The new Google Chat for G Suites is actually not even chat. Each chatroom is a collection of Google Wave style cards that jump over each other as activity happens in different ones. The experience is so bad I wrote a blog post about it here. https://technex.us/2018/11/google_chat_is_the_worst_desktop_chat_program_I_have_ever_used/ https://technex.us/2018/11/google_chat_is_the_worst_desktop_...

brazzledazzle 8y ago
We used it as a backup one day when our normal chat service went down. I closed it within 5 minutes and I didn’t even hit your issues which are way worse. What a shit show.
kageneko 8y ago
Uggh. Yeah. We've been required to use it at work, if we want real-time chat. We were using Slack before, but it was taken off the authorization list. I made a long list of things that was wrong with it while we were with it. The notifications are the worst so far. Constant notification spam for every single message. I disabled everything ... and it still sent them. I had to turn them off in iOS.

taurath 8y ago

Because people at google need promotions and launches are one of the few good ways to get them.

rixrax 8y ago
Or maybe they are too busy protesting[0][1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][..] instead of focusing on product ;-) Interestingly, before 2017, very few (no?) public news of them employees walking out or protesting publicly @ Google. It's almost like Sergey going to the airport to protest opened the floodgates[6]. The Times They Are a-Changin' (or no good deed goes unpunished...). [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/27/read-google-employees-open-letter-protesting-project-dragonfly.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/27/read-google-employees-open-l... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/01/google-employees-worldwide-begin-walkout-over-allegations-sexual-harassment-inequality-within-company/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f346e580366b https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/11/01/google-em... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/technology/google-employees-protest-search-censored-china.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/technology/google-employe... [3] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/technology/google-letter-ceo-pentagon-project.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/04/technology/google-letter-... [4] https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/google-employees-protest-trump.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/30/google-employees-protest-tru... [5] https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/07/542020041/google-grapples-with-fallout-after-employee-slams-diversity-efforts https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/07/542020041... [6] https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14428262/google-sergey-brin https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14428262/google-sergey-br... [7] https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/google-employees-speak-out-about-government-spying/ https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/11/14/google-employees-s... [8] https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/01/sopa-blackout-wikipedia-google-wired-join-protest-against-internet-censorship/ https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/technology/2012/01/sopa-blackou... [..] https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/10/12/whoops-google-engineer-accidentally-makes-his-plus-sucks-rant-public/#b9697f26cb4f https://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2011/10/12/whoops-g...
- aokiji 8y ago
  I am sorry for your downvotes. This was another hit-and-run by globalist manipulators and their far-left islamofascist pawns.
- zapzupnz 8y ago
  Google's been killing their products left, right, and centre long before this whole thing. Absolutely no link.
nojvek 8y ago
That’s usually the case for any big corporation. I think Google is at a place where it feels they have too many cooks. Just focus on the core things like Apple.
- null000 8y ago
  I'm thoroughly convinced one of the strategies of large tech companies is to suck all the air out of the room when it comes to engineer talent. I've seen the inside of these corporations - most of the stuff people work on is way below their pay grade (even if it still technically needs to get done) yet they still have a ridiculously rigorous interview process and somehow manage to hire like crazy with salaries and benefits way better than a startup can offer. It just doesn't make sense unless the goal is to deprive potential up and coming competitors of talent.
  - konschubert 8y ago
    I don't think that strategy is very effective though. The supply of developers is quite elastic in the long term and it just drives competitors to increase their engineering efficiency.
    - taurath 8y ago
      Also to pay more than they would normally.
- sigi45 8y ago
  Sry what? Google has enough very good products which shows what Google is doing. Yes they have some issues with wave, talk, hangout and duo but also have gmail, search, drive, etc. Apple not always gets it right and Google also.
Zarel 8y ago
The problem is, they haven't even launched anything to replace Hangouts!
- JVIDEL 8y ago
  Think they will? anyway, what really worries me right now is what's going to happen with all those stored hangout conversations, will those still be accessible? will users be allowed to download them? or everything is getting deleted?
  - Zarel 8y ago
    https://twitter.com/happyinwater/status/1068861340800958466 https://twitter.com/happyinwater/status/1068861340800958466 Apparently they'll be migrated to Hangouts Chat. My Project Fi calling/texting from computer features are in limbo, though.