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Kennedy put a literal nazi--who had been rotting away with nothing to do in Texas--in charge of the Apollo program. Who? edit: Ah, this guy https://en.wikiped

Kennedy put a literal nazi--who had been rotting away with nothing to do in Texas--in charge of the Apollo program. Who? edit: Ah, this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

mmjaa 8y ago
The USA put a lot of Nazi's to use after the war. 1,600 of them went off to be part of the CIA. We can see how successful that integration went .. EDIT: Yes, I know, it makes you feel uncomfortable, Americans. But it is an uncomfortable truth that has to be confronted sooner or later - Nazi's helped build the CIA. https://www.democracynow.org/2014/10/31/the_nazis_next_door_eric_lichtblau https://www.democracynow.org/2014/10/31/the_nazis_next_door_...
- yostrovs 8y ago
  The rest of the Nazis mostly stayed in Germany, mostly unharassed and given jobs like running the foreign ministry.
  - mmjaa 8y ago
    Yes, but 1600 of them escaped to live the American dream, protected by America's military-industrial-pharmaceutical complex and they went on to create the society we have today: impervious to any reproach over its war crimes and crimes against humanity, the American empire rules us all and continues the effort to rid the world of unsavoury cultures deemed inferior by the hidden elite... American's need to educate themselves about just how much their hallowed CIA was usurped by the Nazi elite. Its a sham to consider America free of their influence.
- josefresco 8y ago
  Post WWII (and even before the end) the US quickly pivoted towards the "cold war" with the Soviet Union. From the interview you linked: "...Dulles was one of the intelligence titans of the 1950s, one of the original cold warriors. And he was someone who believed that there were, quote-unquote, “moderate Nazis,” his words, who the U.S. could use to its advantage in the Cold War. And he actively recruited them himself and, in a number of cases, intervened on their behalf when they were facing accusations about their past, about their involvement in Nazi war crimes. And he and J. Edgar Hoover were really the two linchpins in this, in developing this strategy of recruiting ex-Nazis as cold warriors, as anti-Soviet assets who, they believe, could gather intelligence for the U.S." Dulles was not a perfect man, and holds much of the blame when it comes to US/corporate colonialism but to suggest the CIA was "built with" Nazis is taking it too far. To suggest that the Nazi legacy of the CIA somehow is connected to current day abuses of power is an even further leap of logic. Dulles saw former Nazis as valuable tools in his war/wars - there's not much else to it. Recommended reading if you're curious about the CIA and it's origins, and how it effected/effects US policy: https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret/dp/0805094970 https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret/d...
  - mmjaa 8y ago
    >To suggest that the Nazi legacy of the CIA somehow is connected to current day abuses of power is an even further leap of logic. On the contrary: MK ULTRA. Agent Orange. Secret torture sites.
    - josefresco 8y ago
      Torture and abhorrent behavior is not exclusive to Nazis. How many other intelligence agencies have used barbaric tactics to extract information to keep their homeland safe? I just don't see the direct connection - doesn't make it any less wrong, I just don't see the evidence that it's directly influenced by this connection.
      - mmjaa 8y ago
        MK ULTRA was a Nazi program that continued in the CIA. The development of Agent Orange: same. Modern torture techniques? Yes, same deal. The Nazi's escaped and made America their new playground. This is why we have had endless war and crimes against humanity being committed by the people of the USA .. for decades now ..
        adventured 8y ago
        Germany is where ~99% of all former Nazis lived after the war. So why hasn't Germany been spending their time invading all of their neighbors and genociding peoples? Why aren't they by far the most militaristic nation of the post WW2 era? It's because your premise is false.
        mmjaa 8y ago
        Our failure to come to an understanding over this, admittedly inflammatory issue, may be because you think to me "Nazi" means "Germans", and of course literally it does. But in the outraged claim that "America is the 4th Reich", kthxbai, there is a curious position you perhaps would not have considered .. the crimes against humanity committed by America and its allies, on the basis of entirely projected (i.e. not defensive) power, is pretty much what the Nazi's would be doing - dropping bombs on innocent people with impunity - were they still here today, speaking German. I care not iota that America are the new oppressors. I care, really, that the oppression is occurring. The new American boot is just as heinous as the old German ones were.

mmjaa 8y ago

The USA put a lot of Nazi's to use after the war. 1,600 of them went off to be part of the CIA. We can see how successful that integration went .. EDIT: Yes, I know, it makes you feel uncomfortable, Americans. But it is an uncomfortable truth that has to be confronted sooner or later - Nazi's helped build the CIA. https://www.democracynow.org/2014/10/31/the_nazis_next_door_eric_lichtblau https://www.democracynow.org/2014/10/31/the_nazis_next_door_...

yostrovs 8y ago
The rest of the Nazis mostly stayed in Germany, mostly unharassed and given jobs like running the foreign ministry.
- mmjaa 8y ago
  Yes, but 1600 of them escaped to live the American dream, protected by America's military-industrial-pharmaceutical complex and they went on to create the society we have today: impervious to any reproach over its war crimes and crimes against humanity, the American empire rules us all and continues the effort to rid the world of unsavoury cultures deemed inferior by the hidden elite... American's need to educate themselves about just how much their hallowed CIA was usurped by the Nazi elite. Its a sham to consider America free of their influence.
josefresco 8y ago
Post WWII (and even before the end) the US quickly pivoted towards the "cold war" with the Soviet Union. From the interview you linked: "...Dulles was one of the intelligence titans of the 1950s, one of the original cold warriors. And he was someone who believed that there were, quote-unquote, “moderate Nazis,” his words, who the U.S. could use to its advantage in the Cold War. And he actively recruited them himself and, in a number of cases, intervened on their behalf when they were facing accusations about their past, about their involvement in Nazi war crimes. And he and J. Edgar Hoover were really the two linchpins in this, in developing this strategy of recruiting ex-Nazis as cold warriors, as anti-Soviet assets who, they believe, could gather intelligence for the U.S." Dulles was not a perfect man, and holds much of the blame when it comes to US/corporate colonialism but to suggest the CIA was "built with" Nazis is taking it too far. To suggest that the Nazi legacy of the CIA somehow is connected to current day abuses of power is an even further leap of logic. Dulles saw former Nazis as valuable tools in his war/wars - there's not much else to it. Recommended reading if you're curious about the CIA and it's origins, and how it effected/effects US policy: https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret/dp/0805094970 https://www.amazon.com/Brothers-Foster-Dulles-Allen-Secret/d...
- mmjaa 8y ago
  >To suggest that the Nazi legacy of the CIA somehow is connected to current day abuses of power is an even further leap of logic. On the contrary: MK ULTRA. Agent Orange. Secret torture sites.
  - josefresco 8y ago
    Torture and abhorrent behavior is not exclusive to Nazis. How many other intelligence agencies have used barbaric tactics to extract information to keep their homeland safe? I just don't see the direct connection - doesn't make it any less wrong, I just don't see the evidence that it's directly influenced by this connection.
    - mmjaa 8y ago
      MK ULTRA was a Nazi program that continued in the CIA. The development of Agent Orange: same. Modern torture techniques? Yes, same deal. The Nazi's escaped and made America their new playground. This is why we have had endless war and crimes against humanity being committed by the people of the USA .. for decades now ..
      - adventured 8y ago
        Germany is where ~99% of all former Nazis lived after the war. So why hasn't Germany been spending their time invading all of their neighbors and genociding peoples? Why aren't they by far the most militaristic nation of the post WW2 era? It's because your premise is false.
        mmjaa 8y ago
        Our failure to come to an understanding over this, admittedly inflammatory issue, may be because you think to me "Nazi" means "Germans", and of course literally it does. But in the outraged claim that "America is the 4th Reich", kthxbai, there is a curious position you perhaps would not have considered .. the crimes against humanity committed by America and its allies, on the basis of entirely projected (i.e. not defensive) power, is pretty much what the Nazi's would be doing - dropping bombs on innocent people with impunity - were they still here today, speaking German. I care not iota that America are the new oppressors. I care, really, that the oppression is occurring. The new American boot is just as heinous as the old German ones were.