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It's beyond me why they don't reward such guy even if they don't have any bounty program in place. 10-100K is pennies to them. It just seems more economic to pa

by comboy 8y ago

It's beyond me why they don't reward such guy even if they don't have any bounty program in place. 10-100K is pennies to them. It just seems more economic to pay white hats than to deal with effects of black hats actions. But maybe I'm wrong and in the real world there is not much penalty for exposing data of thousands or millions of users..

cal97g 8y ago
If ebay weren't such a fundamentally terrible company I'm sure they would. This doesn't surprise me based on the companies culture generally. They're always trying to stiff people out of money, their platform is full of scammers, and their fees are ridiculous.
s_dev 8y ago
Before GDPR there actually wasn't much penalty for reckless collection and storage of personal data. Only PR damage had to be considered.
- eiurafhlfie 8y ago
  Bear in mind though that Ebay Japan does not target EU/no/ch customers, which is a requirement for the "big reach" of the GDPR. Wikipedia excerpt: "... for all individuals within the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula...
  - EinsDueTresFour 8y ago
    It is likely though that, if GDPR proves effective, other countries will soon follow suit and implement a similar set of data protection regulations. Perhaps by then companies around the world will be forced into paying more attention to these matters, and a system of reward for white hats may become the norm.
    - pojzon 8y ago
      With GDPR version in each country after some time the best market will be for companies to lawsuit other IT companies over violations.. After some time smaller companies will be forced to work on market siloses, to not jave to worry about such lawsuits.
  - CathyWest 8y ago
    EinsDueTresFour: I see I'm not the only one who's been shadowbanned for refusing to march to the drum of the Silicon Valley fat cats.
  - XCabbage 8y ago
    I've generally read on Hacker News that having EU users is sufficient to put you within the GDPR's reach, and that for a web service there's therefore nothing that will protect you besides IP-blocking Europe. The quote that you provide here that supposedly shows that the GDPR is irrelevant to Ebay Japan does not in fact contradict that claim. Do you have an excerpt or other source that does?
    - yc-kraln 8y ago
      Amusingly, if a European citizen is not in Europe, they are also covered, so IP banning Europe will not help you.
      - ashelmire 8y ago
        The analysis I’ve seen from lawyers is that it only applies to EU citizens inside the EU.
      - strictnein 8y ago
        That's not how things work. You don't get to bring your laws with you when you travel.
    - shittyadmin 8y ago
      > I've generally read on Hacker News that having EU users is sufficient to put you within the GDPR's reach, and that for a web service there's therefore nothing that will protect you besides IP-blocking Europe. This is fairly ridiculous, if you're have no European presence, you're free to ignore the GDPR. The EU has no legal jurisdiction over you, the only recourse would be for the EU to block your site and that's just not going to happen - no one wants to see a Great Firewall of the EU, can you imagine the backlash?
      - Scoundreller 8y ago
        If you have EU TLDs, maybe you could lose those domains? Or your trademarks become unenforceable in EU? Imagine the mess if I start usatoday.eu, but « focussed only on the EU market ». Since .com doesn’t operate in the EU market because of GDPR, am I really infringing in their mark?
CathyWest 8y ago
I'm probably wasting my time unless a lot of people have enabled showing dead posts, as the moment I voiced criticism of the silicon valley establishment I got hid by a shadow ban. So I suppose I have nothing to lose from voicing the same again: Let it henceforth be known that researchers need not bother with the bounty program and just do a full disclosure of any eBay vulnerabilities. This so-called "responsible disclosure" does very little to protect the public and only lets companies fly under the radar with their reckless behaviour. > Ebay was very responsive and fixed the issue about 10-12 hours after I reported it. 10 to 12 hours is responsive? All it takes is a minute to pull the load balancer and nobody would be able to exploit the vulnerability, but that forces them to lose face in front of their customers (but that's exactly what they deserve). The only truly responsible way to deal with vulnerabilities is to notify, give them no more time than it takes them to take the site off-line, and then do full disclosure.
- dang 8y ago
  We banned you for using yet another account to break HN's guidelines, as we've done before and as you've done before. We couldn't care less which establishment you criticize. A common trollish trick is to use explicitly female usernames, so when we come down hard on them, it looks like we're abusing women. Another common troll trick is to make self-serving proclamations about why they were banned. If you want to participate on HN, you need to take the spirit of this site to heart, as described at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, and use it only as intended.
GuiA 8y ago
The fact that the issue remains unaddressed just tells us the organization (as in, the management chain) is fundamentally broken from a tech point of view. From there, it is not surprising that they would not bother to compensate white hat hackers, because we have established that the organization is fundamentally broken.
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megy 8y ago
> It's beyond me why they don't reward Who? They?

by comboy 8y ago

cal97g 8y ago

If ebay weren't such a fundamentally terrible company I'm sure they would. This doesn't surprise me based on the companies culture generally. They're always trying to stiff people out of money, their platform is full of scammers, and their fees are ridiculous.

s_dev 8y ago

Before GDPR there actually wasn't much penalty for reckless collection and storage of personal data. Only PR damage had to be considered.

eiurafhlfie 8y ago
Bear in mind though that Ebay Japan does not target EU/no/ch customers, which is a requirement for the "big reach" of the GDPR. Wikipedia excerpt: "... for all individuals within the European Union (EU) and the European Economic Area (EEA)." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula...
- EinsDueTresFour 8y ago
  It is likely though that, if GDPR proves effective, other countries will soon follow suit and implement a similar set of data protection regulations. Perhaps by then companies around the world will be forced into paying more attention to these matters, and a system of reward for white hats may become the norm.
  - pojzon 8y ago
    With GDPR version in each country after some time the best market will be for companies to lawsuit other IT companies over violations.. After some time smaller companies will be forced to work on market siloses, to not jave to worry about such lawsuits.
- CathyWest 8y ago
  EinsDueTresFour: I see I'm not the only one who's been shadowbanned for refusing to march to the drum of the Silicon Valley fat cats.
- XCabbage 8y ago
  I've generally read on Hacker News that having EU users is sufficient to put you within the GDPR's reach, and that for a web service there's therefore nothing that will protect you besides IP-blocking Europe. The quote that you provide here that supposedly shows that the GDPR is irrelevant to Ebay Japan does not in fact contradict that claim. Do you have an excerpt or other source that does?
  - yc-kraln 8y ago
    Amusingly, if a European citizen is not in Europe, they are also covered, so IP banning Europe will not help you.
    - ashelmire 8y ago
      The analysis I’ve seen from lawyers is that it only applies to EU citizens inside the EU.
    - strictnein 8y ago
      That's not how things work. You don't get to bring your laws with you when you travel.
  - shittyadmin 8y ago
    > I've generally read on Hacker News that having EU users is sufficient to put you within the GDPR's reach, and that for a web service there's therefore nothing that will protect you besides IP-blocking Europe. This is fairly ridiculous, if you're have no European presence, you're free to ignore the GDPR. The EU has no legal jurisdiction over you, the only recourse would be for the EU to block your site and that's just not going to happen - no one wants to see a Great Firewall of the EU, can you imagine the backlash?
    - Scoundreller 8y ago
      If you have EU TLDs, maybe you could lose those domains? Or your trademarks become unenforceable in EU? Imagine the mess if I start usatoday.eu, but « focussed only on the EU market ». Since .com doesn’t operate in the EU market because of GDPR, am I really infringing in their mark?

CathyWest 8y ago

I'm probably wasting my time unless a lot of people have enabled showing dead posts, as the moment I voiced criticism of the silicon valley establishment I got hid by a shadow ban. So I suppose I have nothing to lose from voicing the same again: Let it henceforth be known that researchers need not bother with the bounty program and just do a full disclosure of any eBay vulnerabilities. This so-called "responsible disclosure" does very little to protect the public and only lets companies fly under the radar with their reckless behaviour. > Ebay was very responsive and fixed the issue about 10-12 hours after I reported it. 10 to 12 hours is responsive? All it takes is a minute to pull the load balancer and nobody would be able to exploit the vulnerability, but that forces them to lose face in front of their customers (but that's exactly what they deserve). The only truly responsible way to deal with vulnerabilities is to notify, give them no more time than it takes them to take the site off-line, and then do full disclosure.

dang 8y ago
We banned you for using yet another account to break HN's guidelines, as we've done before and as you've done before. We couldn't care less which establishment you criticize. A common trollish trick is to use explicitly female usernames, so when we come down hard on them, it looks like we're abusing women. Another common troll trick is to make self-serving proclamations about why they were banned. If you want to participate on HN, you need to take the spirit of this site to heart, as described at https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, and use it only as intended.

GuiA 8y ago

The fact that the issue remains unaddressed just tells us the organization (as in, the management chain) is fundamentally broken from a tech point of view. From there, it is not surprising that they would not bother to compensate white hat hackers, because we have established that the organization is fundamentally broken.

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megy 8y ago

> It's beyond me why they don't reward Who? They?