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In the same keynote this was announced, they said that one of their regions has reached nearly 5 Pbps of inter-AZ network capacity. They also poked at Google fo

by 013a 8y ago

In the same keynote this was announced, they said that one of their regions has reached nearly 5 Pbps of inter-AZ network capacity. They also poked at Google for using phrasing like "regions usually have independent cooling and power control planes". They clarified a common misconception: Regions aren't single datacenters, nor are AZs single data centers, and at least one of their AZs (probably a us-east-1 AZ) has fourteen datacenters. If you want the Cheapest, go to DigitalOcean. AWS is engineering the Best. Why HN has this obsession with quibbling over a couple dollars while hosting their hobby projects on the same cloud provider that Epic Games and Netflix pay hundreds of millions of dollars to for their massive workloads, I'll have no idea. It's not made for you. Amazon can get on stage and throw valid infrastructure resiliency complaints at Google. They can't do the same thing against DigitalOcean or Linode, because that'd be like Usain Bolt making fun of a toddler's quarter mile time.

oceanplexian 8y ago
Amazon could also pick on someone their own size. Oracle's annual revenue is more than double AWS at 40B a year. If you look at on-prem enterprise IT, or Azure you'll find competitors much closer to AWS with very high performance, resilience, and security guarantees. In fact, Azure is growing much faster than AWS and Microsoft has a huge advantage in many of the industries that AWS is lagging in. AWS is a leader in "running a web app at scale". But when it comes to Healthcare, Finance, Government, Education, Telecommunications, etc, they are small fish in a big pond.
- adventured 8y ago
  AWS by itself will be the size of Oracle in fiscal 2020. They'll do $24-$25 billion in sales for 2018. Oracle's business hasn't expanded in years: sales in 2015 were $38b, and that's still their approximate annualized sales figure today. AWS is ~64% the size of Oracle. In 2019 they'll be 85% the size of Oracle. So there you have Oracle with essentially zero growth and a failed cloud business that is not only running from behind, it's a disaster. Things are so bad, Oracle has begun trying to hide their cloud numbers when they report. Simultaneously, Oracle's balance sheet is turning into a toxic wasteland. Net tangible assets have gone from positive $6 billion to negative $12 billion in just three quarters. They're now spending the equivalent of ~22% of their net profit on debt interest alone. Ellison will have to try to turn to another very large acquisition soon to bail out the ship that is about to sink. As the large cloud competitors get far larger in the next few years, they're going to begin not just robbing Oracle of growth but taking their existing business away. The scale is at a point where for AWS and Azure to double in size again (guaranteed to happen), Oracle is going to lose big.
Sohcahtoa82 8y ago
> If you want the Cheapest, go to DigitalOcean. I switched off of DO after they took my droplet offline because it was getting DDoS'd. I understand they want to protect their network and other customers becoming collateral damage, but it was still annoying. My little node was handling the attack just fine until DO kicked it off. EDIT: And I've heard of DO customers getting their droplets taken offline for being DDoS'd even when they weren't under attack and were simply receiving a lot of traffic from reddit or something.

by 013a 8y ago

oceanplexian 8y ago

Amazon could also pick on someone their own size. Oracle's annual revenue is more than double AWS at 40B a year. If you look at on-prem enterprise IT, or Azure you'll find competitors much closer to AWS with very high performance, resilience, and security guarantees. In fact, Azure is growing much faster than AWS and Microsoft has a huge advantage in many of the industries that AWS is lagging in. AWS is a leader in "running a web app at scale". But when it comes to Healthcare, Finance, Government, Education, Telecommunications, etc, they are small fish in a big pond.

adventured 8y ago
AWS by itself will be the size of Oracle in fiscal 2020. They'll do $24-$25 billion in sales for 2018. Oracle's business hasn't expanded in years: sales in 2015 were $38b, and that's still their approximate annualized sales figure today. AWS is ~64% the size of Oracle. In 2019 they'll be 85% the size of Oracle. So there you have Oracle with essentially zero growth and a failed cloud business that is not only running from behind, it's a disaster. Things are so bad, Oracle has begun trying to hide their cloud numbers when they report. Simultaneously, Oracle's balance sheet is turning into a toxic wasteland. Net tangible assets have gone from positive $6 billion to negative $12 billion in just three quarters. They're now spending the equivalent of ~22% of their net profit on debt interest alone. Ellison will have to try to turn to another very large acquisition soon to bail out the ship that is about to sink. As the large cloud competitors get far larger in the next few years, they're going to begin not just robbing Oracle of growth but taking their existing business away. The scale is at a point where for AWS and Azure to double in size again (guaranteed to happen), Oracle is going to lose big.

Sohcahtoa82 8y ago

> If you want the Cheapest, go to DigitalOcean. I switched off of DO after they took my droplet offline because it was getting DDoS'd. I understand they want to protect their network and other customers becoming collateral damage, but it was still annoying. My little node was handling the attack just fine until DO kicked it off. EDIT: And I've heard of DO customers getting their droplets taken offline for being DDoS'd even when they weren't under attack and were simply receiving a lot of traffic from reddit or something.