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Yea I'm in SF not sure how long I'll last. It's a cess pool. Criminals have more rights than children. There was a crazy homeless guy who would shit everyday

Yea I'm in SF not sure how long I'll last. It's a cess pool. Criminals have more rights than children. There was a crazy homeless guy who would shit everyday in front of a school in Bernal. The police couldn't do anything about it. You are completely right about the fear of political fallout for wanting to uphold the law. It's sad.

diogenescynic 8y ago
>Criminals have more rights than children. This is the most succinct way I’ve seen it explained and it’s 100% accurate. You’re also right about the fear of upholding the law. It’s sad AND ridiculous. A relevant article about another local offender cops just ignore: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/heatherknight/article/Cole-Valley-residents-try-to-help-themselves-13245805.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/heatherknight/article/Co...
- pteredactyl 8y ago
  Thanks. It came to me when I saw a Mom with kids get harassed by a crazy person on the sidewalk. Also there's a similar story in Bernal where a crazy person kept shitting in front of a school. But nobody could do anything about it (for fear of hysterical backlash). I can't find the article though.
  - selestify 8y ago
    What's the risk of a backlash actually occurring? Seems ridiculous.
    - pteredactyl 8y ago
      That's a good point. I think there's this recent fear that someone will ruin your life with a well-written blog post. Something something privileged white male something something out of touch with mental health something something homeless issues I guess it comes down to not caring.
mindslight 8y ago
> You are completely right about the fear of political fallout for wanting to uphold the law. The erosion of respect for the rule of law is a direct result of the attempt to use law to implement a top-down social design, chiefly the "war on drugs". With policing being a public good, those with the least means should appreciate police the most. But rather their communities were persecuted using the police, and so those communities were pushed into adopting an alternative view. Similarly, even mainstream society does not actually expect police to be helpful towards us but rather as a source of trouble to be avoided (eg speeding tickets). Given that public opinion cannot be directly changed, good initial steps to restoring public faith in the institution would be to eliminate invasive vice legislation, completely remove police from the enforcement of traffic regulations, as well as fully prosecuting criminals even when they're police officers.
- pteredactyl 8y ago
  I'm not sure I follow or agree with your first premise RE war on drugs. (The 'why') But I do agree on your initial steps for restoring public faith.
- nradov 8y ago
  Who will enforce traffic laws if not the police? We can't have anarchy on the roads.
Balgair 8y ago
> Criminals have more rights than children. I was in SF for a job interview a while back. Got off at Civic Center BART to meet a friend. Hoooooooly Cow! I'm not sure about 'rights' per se, but I saw at least two people shoot heroin up, in broad-daylight, in the middle of Market Street, on a Thursday, round about 1pm in the afternoon, not even 20 feet away for at least five uniformed SFPD officers. The officers did nothing. My friend says that's kinda how it is. https://sf.curbed.com/2018/6/21/17488516/farrell-civic-center-homeless-needles-mayor https://sf.curbed.com/2018/6/21/17488516/farrell-civic-cente...

diogenescynic 8y ago

>Criminals have more rights than children. This is the most succinct way I’ve seen it explained and it’s 100% accurate. You’re also right about the fear of upholding the law. It’s sad AND ridiculous. A relevant article about another local offender cops just ignore: https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/heatherknight/article/Cole-Valley-residents-try-to-help-themselves-13245805.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/heatherknight/article/Co...

pteredactyl 8y ago
Thanks. It came to me when I saw a Mom with kids get harassed by a crazy person on the sidewalk. Also there's a similar story in Bernal where a crazy person kept shitting in front of a school. But nobody could do anything about it (for fear of hysterical backlash). I can't find the article though.
- selestify 8y ago
  What's the risk of a backlash actually occurring? Seems ridiculous.
  - pteredactyl 8y ago
    That's a good point. I think there's this recent fear that someone will ruin your life with a well-written blog post. Something something privileged white male something something out of touch with mental health something something homeless issues I guess it comes down to not caring.

mindslight 8y ago

> You are completely right about the fear of political fallout for wanting to uphold the law. The erosion of respect for the rule of law is a direct result of the attempt to use law to implement a top-down social design, chiefly the "war on drugs". With policing being a public good, those with the least means should appreciate police the most. But rather their communities were persecuted using the police, and so those communities were pushed into adopting an alternative view. Similarly, even mainstream society does not actually expect police to be helpful towards us but rather as a source of trouble to be avoided (eg speeding tickets). Given that public opinion cannot be directly changed, good initial steps to restoring public faith in the institution would be to eliminate invasive vice legislation, completely remove police from the enforcement of traffic regulations, as well as fully prosecuting criminals even when they're police officers.

pteredactyl 8y ago
I'm not sure I follow or agree with your first premise RE war on drugs. (The 'why') But I do agree on your initial steps for restoring public faith.
nradov 8y ago
Who will enforce traffic laws if not the police? We can't have anarchy on the roads.

Balgair 8y ago

> Criminals have more rights than children. I was in SF for a job interview a while back. Got off at Civic Center BART to meet a friend. Hoooooooly Cow! I'm not sure about 'rights' per se, but I saw at least two people shoot heroin up, in broad-daylight, in the middle of Market Street, on a Thursday, round about 1pm in the afternoon, not even 20 feet away for at least five uniformed SFPD officers. The officers did nothing. My friend says that's kinda how it is. https://sf.curbed.com/2018/6/21/17488516/farrell-civic-center-homeless-needles-mayor https://sf.curbed.com/2018/6/21/17488516/farrell-civic-cente...