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Does BART have unlimited liability for the actions of others? Probably not. Should BART have more security at problem stations? Sure. Most of this sounds like
by metildaa 8y ago
Does BART have unlimited liability for the actions of others? Probably not.
Should BART have more security at problem stations? Sure.
Most of this sounds like a failure of the local police though, transit security is generally not going to handle reporting assault and theft, as those are the jurisdiction of the municipality where the crime occured.
- tdumitrescu 8y agoAFAIK bart police are actual peace officers: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit_Police_Department https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit_Polic... I remember i used to see ads of theirs years ago, prominently displaying their 150K starting salary. Anecdotally, i agree that riding bart has felt sketchier the past few years. I generally ride from SF to Lake Merritt or 12th St Oakland.
- Judgmentality 8y ago> prominently displaying their 150K starting salary I thought that seemed high, but they are still paid quite well. https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Bart-Police-Officer-Salaries-E13156_D_KO5,19.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Bart-Police-Officer-Salarie...
- olivermarks 8y agoThere are lots of BART security job vacancies, probably because no matter how high the salary it would be a very dangerous job. This is similar to the social situation in NYC when the Guardian Angels were formed, but what is extraordinary is how wealthy the bay area is today compared to 1980's New York area... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels
- nradov 8y agoLaw enforcement is not even on the top 10 list for most dangerous jobs. I suspect there must be other reasons for the high vacancy rate. http://time.com/5074471/most-dangerous-jobs/ http://time.com/5074471/most-dangerous-jobs/
- JetSpiegel 8y agoThis statistic might be completely different on BART officers only.
- glennpratt 8y ago~$105k based on 1 response, that doesn't seem like much data. The linked job posting shows: > Pay Rate $4,986.87/Month (Base Salary - While in Academy) $5,651.79/Month (Base Salary - Upon Academy Completion)
- masonic 8y agoNot counting overtime, holidays, benefits, or pension. $150K represents the median cost to employ.
- tdumitrescu 8y agoJust going by my memory of what they advertised. Here's a TSV with some public salary data from 2012:https://gist.github.com/shabbychef/5915640 https://gist.github.com/shabbychef/5915640
- BurningFrog 8y agoI think crimes on Bart are the jurisdiction of Bart police. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit_Police_Department#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit_Police_...
- diogenescynic 8y agoAnd all they do is give parking tickets. I’ve never seen them inside a train in 8 years.
- ummonk 8y agoI wonder how much of that is due to the conviction of the officer who shot Oscar Grant.
- ryanmonroe 8y agoIf someone decides not to be a police officer because they aren't allowed to shoot unarmed civilians in the back while they're being held face down on the ground, BART is safer without them.
- ummonk 8y agoI'm talking about when someone decides not to confront potential criminals because they might get sent to prison for killing someone when they accidently usetheir pistol instead of a taser. Look, I'm no fan of the police, and often find myself in disbelief when police officers are acquitted (or not indicted) for what can only be described as murder. But the Oscar Grant shooting was clearly a mistake, and whether or not the officer should have been convicted, that kind of conviction will definitely put a damper on officers' willingness to confront people.
- ryanmonroe 8y ago> I'm talking about when someone decides not to confront potential criminals because they might get sent to prison for killing someone when they accidently usetheir pistol instead of a taser. I mean, same idea. If a police officer is not confident they can dependably discern the difference between a gun and a taser, BART is definitely safer without them.
- SllX 8y agoBART police are sworn California law enforcement, same as SFPD or Oakland PD. Only difference is their jurisdiction is BART so technically they should be enforcing the law. That said, I’m down for making any change to this status quo that sees them actually enforcing the law and public order, or a different responsible PD altogether.