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This is not even wrong. The CCP did not passively deal with a famine - it caused a famine, and used it to kill millions of people. This is not remotely disput

This is not even wrong. The CCP did not passively deal with a famine - it caused a famine, and used it to kill millions of people. This is not remotely disputable. The CCP is strict because the only thing that really matters is holding on to power. That same party is still in power today, and currently putting millions of Muslims into concentration camps. The lucky ones get a modified house arrest, with non-Muslim minders living with them and monitoring them at all times. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-muslim-people-move-homes-xinjiang-china-religion-a8648561.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-uighur-m... When a lighter touch is all that is required, they'll use social credit points to allow someone to live their lives or not: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-21/beijing-to-judge-every-resident-based-on-behavior-by-end-of-2020 https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-21/beijing-t... Edit: yep - looks like the brigades are definitely out in force on this thread today.

microcolonel 8y ago
> When a lighter touch is all that is required, they'll use social credit points to allow someone to live their lives or not: The only saving grace is their incompetence, as they are trialing facial recognition everywhere, the machines are unreliable enough that there's a good chance they still don't know where you are. I highly recommend escaping while they are still incompetent, because as soon as the system is functioning well (which may take less than two years), you may not be allowed to leave, at least not on a plane; and if you're allowed, you may not be able to afford it. It's amazing that people can "#NotAllCommunism" away the wanton deaths of about a hundred million people, because they don't like that it contradicts their political fad.
Iv 8y ago
There is a narrative by politics scholar that the current CCP is a reaction to Mao's CCP and is radically different. Mao was an anti-intellectual and a lot of the problems of the Great Leap Forward policy came from the decision to put uneducated people in charge and replacing knowledge by ideology. This was such a disaster, and it harmed so much of the former elite (who ended up working in the fields and, predictably, sucked at farming) that they manage to unite and take over the CCP instances. Nowadays, CCP leaders are highly technocratic and having a strong education is mandatory to rise in the hierarchy. > That same party is still in power today, and currently putting millions of Muslims into concentration camps. Yes, and even if they don't have an extermination policy that looks at least like STASI policies there. The reason (and I only state a reason, not an excuse there) why China is so sensitive about religion is because it caused the most deadly civil war in human history, the revolt of the Taiping, when a guy believing he was the brother of Jesus brought half the country to worship him and fought the emperor. They started their anti-muslim policy when ISIS was starting to have antennas in several countries. Religious movement triggers alarm in them in the same way as nazis do to Europeans: they know they can lead to 20 million death.
- ardy42 8y ago
  > Religious movement triggers alarm in them in the same way as nazis do to Europeans: they know they can lead to 20 million death. I don't think that's quite right. They're sensitive because religion causes Chinese people to organize themselves outside Communist hierarchy, which they see as a threat to Communist power. They're sensitive to all similar kinds of organization, not just religiously motivated ones.
  - nradov 8y ago
    The Chinese "Communist" Party has even started persecuting Marxists who organize outside their control. https://www.npr.org/2018/11/21/669509554/in-china-the-communist-partys-latest-unlikely-target-young-marxists https://www.npr.org/2018/11/21/669509554/in-china-the-commun...

microcolonel 8y ago

> When a lighter touch is all that is required, they'll use social credit points to allow someone to live their lives or not: The only saving grace is their incompetence, as they are trialing facial recognition everywhere, the machines are unreliable enough that there's a good chance they still don't know where you are. I highly recommend escaping while they are still incompetent, because as soon as the system is functioning well (which may take less than two years), you may not be allowed to leave, at least not on a plane; and if you're allowed, you may not be able to afford it. It's amazing that people can "#NotAllCommunism" away the wanton deaths of about a hundred million people, because they don't like that it contradicts their political fad.

Iv 8y ago

There is a narrative by politics scholar that the current CCP is a reaction to Mao's CCP and is radically different. Mao was an anti-intellectual and a lot of the problems of the Great Leap Forward policy came from the decision to put uneducated people in charge and replacing knowledge by ideology. This was such a disaster, and it harmed so much of the former elite (who ended up working in the fields and, predictably, sucked at farming) that they manage to unite and take over the CCP instances. Nowadays, CCP leaders are highly technocratic and having a strong education is mandatory to rise in the hierarchy. > That same party is still in power today, and currently putting millions of Muslims into concentration camps. Yes, and even if they don't have an extermination policy that looks at least like STASI policies there. The reason (and I only state a reason, not an excuse there) why China is so sensitive about religion is because it caused the most deadly civil war in human history, the revolt of the Taiping, when a guy believing he was the brother of Jesus brought half the country to worship him and fought the emperor. They started their anti-muslim policy when ISIS was starting to have antennas in several countries. Religious movement triggers alarm in them in the same way as nazis do to Europeans: they know they can lead to 20 million death.

ardy42 8y ago
> Religious movement triggers alarm in them in the same way as nazis do to Europeans: they know they can lead to 20 million death. I don't think that's quite right. They're sensitive because religion causes Chinese people to organize themselves outside Communist hierarchy, which they see as a threat to Communist power. They're sensitive to all similar kinds of organization, not just religiously motivated ones.
- nradov 8y ago
  The Chinese "Communist" Party has even started persecuting Marxists who organize outside their control. https://www.npr.org/2018/11/21/669509554/in-china-the-communist-partys-latest-unlikely-target-young-marxists https://www.npr.org/2018/11/21/669509554/in-china-the-commun...