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Show HN: Dweb.page – Your Gateway to the Distributed Web

70 points by Noc2 8y ago

ilaksh 8y ago
Looks great. Especially because it seems to have a distributed search solution. How well will IOTA scale? Does IPFS really not have a Windows installer? Because that actually requires a lot less effort for non-technical people than a chdir and then running something in cmd.exe
- Noc2 8y ago
  An ipfs installer would be awesome. I tested the integration of the js version of ipfs, but for me, it doesn’t make sense that every single project starts there own IPFS server in the background. Imagine in the future you have like ten tabs open in your browser and you 10 server running. Also, it’s a lot slower performance-wise, and you have problems gettings this running in older browsers, etc. Regarding the scaling we choose IOTA basically because we believe it’s the best solution regarding the scaling aspect and of course because it’s feeless.
- DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
  please don't shoot yourself in the foot and do a little bit of googling before seriously considering this for anything. IOTA is a total garbage fire. See other comments here.
- koalalorenzo 8y ago
  For IPFS you can use Siderus Orion: https://orion.siderus.io https://orion.siderus.io as it is designed for non-technical people
  - Noc2 8y ago
    Thanks!
  - ilaksh 8y ago
    That's great. There should be an MIT option though.
fernly 8y ago
"Distributed Web" -- Wikipedia fails me, but some clarity emerges from https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/ "IPFS aims to replace HTTP and build a better web for all of us." https://medium.com/textileio/enabling-the-distributed-web-abf7ab33b638 https://medium.com/textileio/enabling-the-distributed-web-ab... "the basic idea is we identify content by its cryptographic hash... I can simply ask the IPFS network for the file with that exact CID, the network will find the peers that have the data (using a DHT), retrieve it, and verify (using the CID) that it’s the correct file."
- deytempo 8y ago
  Could this possibly make search engine monopolies impossible?
reificator 8y ago
Perhaps not the best name, given the similarity to `dweeb`.
- Noc2 8y ago
  I know :-D, but there are also these articles: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/07/introducing-the-d-web/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/07/introducing-the-d-web/ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/08/decentralisation-next-big-step-for-the-world-wide-web-dweb-data-internet-censorship-brewster-kahle https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/08/decentral...
known 8y ago
Tutorial: How to host your own file transfer service on your pc https://blog.florence.chat/tutorial-how-to-host-your-own-file-transfer-service-on-your-pc-22698c9d6362 https://blog.florence.chat/tutorial-how-to-host-your-own-fil...
nemo1618 8y ago
Why on earth would you use IOTA for this? Even ignoring its ignominious history, the security paper itself acknowledges that IOTA currently isn't an "immutable ledger" at all: >at the moment the log entries on IOTA will be deleted after a certain time and won’t be stored indefinitely on the ledger. Therefore, it is highly recommended to download the generated CSV files from time to time, which contain all the information about the logs. It is expected that the IOTA Foundation will release a solution for this problem in the coming month.
- Noc2 8y ago
  The advantage of IOTA compared to for example OrbitDB is that you want some kind of proof of work for the metadata. Otherwise everyone can just create instantly millions of fake entries. However, regarding the mentioned snapshot problem, you can of course then create a simple copy of the IOTA tangle entries on orbitDB.
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DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
It's been quiet around IOTA for a while, ... incomprehensible why anyone would use IOTA for anything. it is run by people (come_from_beyond and other questionable characters whose understanding of Math can best be summed up as "Numberwang"). People who think that collision resistance doesn't have to be a primary feature of a hash functions. the IOTA guys have been ignorant towards any criticism from the cryptography experts (ask people like Matthew D Green and others). IOTA is a total clusterfuck. Don't use it. Or if you do please check at least twitter to see what people with an actual idea are really saying. https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/04/25/1524628801000/FUD--inglorious-FUD/ https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/04/25/1524628801000/FUD--in... https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/938397135862714373 https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/938397135862714373 https://twitter.com/search?q=%40matthew_d_green%20IOTA https://twitter.com/search?q=%40matthew_d_green%20IOTA
- DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
  Also if you find problems with the project, would be a great idea to use the issue tracker: https://github.com/PACTCare/Dweb.page/issues/2 https://github.com/PACTCare/Dweb.page/issues/2
  - Noc2 8y ago
    Here also my repsons, since people might not open the github issues: “I’m aware of these early issues, and I’m also aware that they replaced the hash function with KECCAK-384 for the proof of work and in general have grown a lot since then as well as hired a lot of people including cryptographers. But all that aside, this project uses IOTA simply as an immutable database with some additional spam protection. For the encryption, we are using the web crypto API (AES256-GCM). If you have ideas for a potential IOTA replacement feel free to share them. I’m completely open here. For example, I looked into orbitdb, but I haven’t included it for multiple reasons (e.g., hosting an ipfs gateway inside a website isn’t ideal and it hasn’t any spam protection).”
    - mayamatrix 8y ago
      You might find Holochain to be a suitable replacement for IOTA. https://holochain.org/ https://holochain.org/
netsec_burn 8y ago
Your logo looks almost identical to web.com's logo.
- Noc2 8y ago
  Interesting. The logo actually took me only a few minutes is based on my previous logos (e.g. pact.care). I’m always just using quicksand plus dot, since I’m not a designer
Noc2 8y ago
Thanks for all the upvotes! I quickly created a tutorial on how to host your own writable ipfs gateway and support the distributed web: https://blog.florence.chat/tutorial-host-your-own-ipfs-node-and-help-the-next-generation-of-web-2860eb59e45e https://blog.florence.chat/tutorial-host-your-own-ipfs-node-... If you find any errors or have any questions just let me know.

70 points by Noc2 8y ago

Looks great. Especially because it seems to have a distributed search solution. How well will IOTA scale? Does IPFS really not have a Windows installer? Because that actually requires a lot less effort for non-technical people than a chdir and then running something in cmd.exe

Noc2 8y ago
An ipfs installer would be awesome. I tested the integration of the js version of ipfs, but for me, it doesn’t make sense that every single project starts there own IPFS server in the background. Imagine in the future you have like ten tabs open in your browser and you 10 server running. Also, it’s a lot slower performance-wise, and you have problems gettings this running in older browsers, etc. Regarding the scaling we choose IOTA basically because we believe it’s the best solution regarding the scaling aspect and of course because it’s feeless.
DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
please don't shoot yourself in the foot and do a little bit of googling before seriously considering this for anything. IOTA is a total garbage fire. See other comments here.
koalalorenzo 8y ago
For IPFS you can use Siderus Orion: https://orion.siderus.io https://orion.siderus.io as it is designed for non-technical people
- Noc2 8y ago
  Thanks!
- ilaksh 8y ago
  That's great. There should be an MIT option though.

fernly 8y ago

"Distributed Web" -- Wikipedia fails me, but some clarity emerges from https://ipfs.io/ https://ipfs.io/ "IPFS aims to replace HTTP and build a better web for all of us." https://medium.com/textileio/enabling-the-distributed-web-abf7ab33b638 https://medium.com/textileio/enabling-the-distributed-web-ab... "the basic idea is we identify content by its cryptographic hash... I can simply ask the IPFS network for the file with that exact CID, the network will find the peers that have the data (using a DHT), retrieve it, and verify (using the CID) that it’s the correct file."

deytempo 8y ago
Could this possibly make search engine monopolies impossible?

reificator 8y ago

Perhaps not the best name, given the similarity to `dweeb`.

Noc2 8y ago
I know :-D, but there are also these articles: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/07/introducing-the-d-web/ https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/07/introducing-the-d-web/ https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/08/decentralisation-next-big-step-for-the-world-wide-web-dweb-data-internet-censorship-brewster-kahle https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/sep/08/decentral...

known 8y ago

Tutorial: How to host your own file transfer service on your pc https://blog.florence.chat/tutorial-how-to-host-your-own-file-transfer-service-on-your-pc-22698c9d6362 https://blog.florence.chat/tutorial-how-to-host-your-own-fil...

nemo1618 8y ago

Why on earth would you use IOTA for this? Even ignoring its ignominious history, the security paper itself acknowledges that IOTA currently isn't an "immutable ledger" at all: >at the moment the log entries on IOTA will be deleted after a certain time and won’t be stored indefinitely on the ledger. Therefore, it is highly recommended to download the generated CSV files from time to time, which contain all the information about the logs. It is expected that the IOTA Foundation will release a solution for this problem in the coming month.

Noc2 8y ago
The advantage of IOTA compared to for example OrbitDB is that you want some kind of proof of work for the metadata. Otherwise everyone can just create instantly millions of fake entries. However, regarding the mentioned snapshot problem, you can of course then create a simple copy of the IOTA tangle entries on orbitDB.

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DyslexicAtheist 8y ago

It's been quiet around IOTA for a while, ... incomprehensible why anyone would use IOTA for anything. it is run by people (come_from_beyond and other questionable characters whose understanding of Math can best be summed up as "Numberwang"). People who think that collision resistance doesn't have to be a primary feature of a hash functions. the IOTA guys have been ignorant towards any criticism from the cryptography experts (ask people like Matthew D Green and others). IOTA is a total clusterfuck. Don't use it. Or if you do please check at least twitter to see what people with an actual idea are really saying. https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/04/25/1524628801000/FUD--inglorious-FUD/ https://ftalphaville.ft.com/2018/04/25/1524628801000/FUD--in... https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/938397135862714373 https://twitter.com/peterktodd/status/938397135862714373 https://twitter.com/search?q=%40matthew_d_green%20IOTA https://twitter.com/search?q=%40matthew_d_green%20IOTA

DyslexicAtheist 8y ago
Also if you find problems with the project, would be a great idea to use the issue tracker: https://github.com/PACTCare/Dweb.page/issues/2 https://github.com/PACTCare/Dweb.page/issues/2
- Noc2 8y ago
  Here also my repsons, since people might not open the github issues: “I’m aware of these early issues, and I’m also aware that they replaced the hash function with KECCAK-384 for the proof of work and in general have grown a lot since then as well as hired a lot of people including cryptographers. But all that aside, this project uses IOTA simply as an immutable database with some additional spam protection. For the encryption, we are using the web crypto API (AES256-GCM). If you have ideas for a potential IOTA replacement feel free to share them. I’m completely open here. For example, I looked into orbitdb, but I haven’t included it for multiple reasons (e.g., hosting an ipfs gateway inside a website isn’t ideal and it hasn’t any spam protection).”
  - mayamatrix 8y ago
    You might find Holochain to be a suitable replacement for IOTA. https://holochain.org/ https://holochain.org/

netsec_burn 8y ago

Your logo looks almost identical to web.com's logo.

Noc2 8y ago
Interesting. The logo actually took me only a few minutes is based on my previous logos (e.g. pact.care). I’m always just using quicksand plus dot, since I’m not a designer

Noc2 8y ago

Thanks for all the upvotes! I quickly created a tutorial on how to host your own writable ipfs gateway and support the distributed web: https://blog.florence.chat/tutorial-host-your-own-ipfs-node-and-help-the-next-generation-of-web-2860eb59e45e https://blog.florence.chat/tutorial-host-your-own-ipfs-node-... If you find any errors or have any questions just let me know.