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Then we shouldn't deal with Cisco, Juniper, and pretty much every other network equipment manufacturer. What kind of logic is that?

jchw 8y ago
Trust is not binary.
- jake_the_third 8y ago
  I fail to see how this ties into your original point.
adventured 8y ago
It's this kind of logic: it depends on whether you believe the US is as big of a security or IP-theft threat to you as China is. Your premise relies on the US == China. If that isn't the case, your premise collapses in one form or another. Taiwan, Japan and South Korea aren't afraid of the US. They are afraid of China. Finland, Romania, Poland, Ukraine and Estonia aren't afraid the US will invade and annex their territory. They are afraid of Russia's territorial ambitions in Eastern Europe. For example, how do you think Australia feels about it right now? "China’s peak security agency has directed a surge in cyber attacks on Australian companies over the past year, breaching an agreement struck between Premier Li Keqiang and former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to not steal each other’s commercial secrets." https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/china-uses-the-cloud-to-step-up-spying-on-australian-business-20181119-p50gze.html https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/china-uses-the-clo... "China reportedly steps up efforts to steal Australian company secrets" https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/21/cybersecurity-china-reportedly-increased-attacks-on-australian-firms.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/21/cybersecurity-china-reported...
- jake_the_third 8y ago
  All I and others are asking for is some hard evidence. Either the company is engaged in unsavory behavior or it is not. You can't be ambiguous about this and expect people to play along. Given how easy it should be for a capable government like the US to find something like this (especially given how common huawei gear is) and how "friendly" the US has been with China, I would expect to have seen at least some evidence surface by now. In fact, I would take the lack of evidence as a testimony to the innocence of huawei and the security of their hardware.

jchw 8y ago

Trust is not binary.

jake_the_third 8y ago
I fail to see how this ties into your original point.

adventured 8y ago

It's this kind of logic: it depends on whether you believe the US is as big of a security or IP-theft threat to you as China is. Your premise relies on the US == China. If that isn't the case, your premise collapses in one form or another. Taiwan, Japan and South Korea aren't afraid of the US. They are afraid of China. Finland, Romania, Poland, Ukraine and Estonia aren't afraid the US will invade and annex their territory. They are afraid of Russia's territorial ambitions in Eastern Europe. For example, how do you think Australia feels about it right now? "China’s peak security agency has directed a surge in cyber attacks on Australian companies over the past year, breaching an agreement struck between Premier Li Keqiang and former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull to not steal each other’s commercial secrets." https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/china-uses-the-cloud-to-step-up-spying-on-australian-business-20181119-p50gze.html https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/china-uses-the-clo... "China reportedly steps up efforts to steal Australian company secrets" https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/21/cybersecurity-china-reportedly-increased-attacks-on-australian-firms.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/21/cybersecurity-china-reported...

jake_the_third 8y ago
All I and others are asking for is some hard evidence. Either the company is engaged in unsavory behavior or it is not. You can't be ambiguous about this and expect people to play along. Given how easy it should be for a capable government like the US to find something like this (especially given how common huawei gear is) and how "friendly" the US has been with China, I would expect to have seen at least some evidence surface by now. In fact, I would take the lack of evidence as a testimony to the innocence of huawei and the security of their hardware.