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Fortunately Trump's supporters aren't fans of the intelligence community either, maybe partly thanks to Snowden.

linkregister 8y ago
They're fans of the torture and assassinations though! In before I'm accused of mischaracterization, a quick web search will reveal Mr. Trump's emphatic glee regarding torture.
- superkuh 8y ago
  The last 3 presidents have all supported the expansion of executive power, torture programs, and used (and expanded) the purely executive branch assassination program. They've all been terrible people who support torture and assassination. Obama and Trump take it even further by assassinating US citizens including minors.
  - creaghpatr 8y ago
    Which US citizen(s) including minors did the Trump administration assasinate?
    - whatshisface 8y ago
      I'm not sure what the OP talked about, but minors are frequently killed as collateral damage in areas where the US is taking military action. This is especially common when explosives are used in heavily populated areas, like the many online videos where a strike is carried out in a city. Assange helped reveal that in some cases, US citizens are killed as well (this was in the movie when he was played by Benedict Cumberbatch).
    - superkuh 8y ago
      Despite what the shortened URL may look like this covers the US minor that Trump assasinated too. https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/ https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-o... These were not just collateral damage. It took 2 strikes to get the older brother. It's unclear how many were done to get the sister. At least publically all that is known about the father in terms of wrong-doing was making videos about how US foreign policy was damaging on youtube. They say he's a 'bad guy' but there's never been any evidence given. He was taken out long before they went back in to get the kids.
      - DoctorOetker 8y ago
        I don't understand why your upper comment was downvoted since it points at a core aspect of the systemic problem that in a democracy the different branches are supposed to keep each other in check: legislative, judiciary and executive branches. If you have an executive branch without oversight from the judiciary, it just grows like a cancer since the executive government doesn't need to prove anything, and the right to legal defense is vaporized... your quote: >... used (and expanded) the purely executive branch assassination program
        superkuh 8y ago
        >I don't understand why your upper comment was downvoted There are two reasons I can think of. The first is that it really doesn't have much to do with Snowden's legacy. It's a tangent (even if I didn't start it). That's justifiable downvoting. The second is cognitive dissonance from acknowledging the problems of US government aren't all entirely the result of Trump. It's run of the mill partisan thinking. Often people think by highlighting the same bad behavior of past administrations I'm supporting the current. Not true, but partisans are gonna partisan.
- buboard 8y ago
  misdirection
jacobush 8y ago
Oh, they just want the intelligence community to spy on and murder who the president points at. To shut up and do what they are told.
- detcader 8y ago
  It's more accurate to say "the king". People still want a king. I hope Trump critics can start identifying this soon...
  - jacobush 8y ago
    It reminds of the biblical story of Israel, when the people were fed up with the corruption of the judges, who ruled the land. The judges were a sort of a "checks and balances" system. The people were not happy with the sorry state of the system. They said, other countries have kings and order, we want one too. So the most prominent prophet listened to the will of the people and said, "ok, you will have a king, I will anoint one for you, you might not like what you get though". To me the current situation rings like an echo of that, people want strong leaders to fix their problems. "History never repeats, but it rhymes" -- probably not Mark Twain

They're fans of the torture and assassinations though! In before I'm accused of mischaracterization, a quick web search will reveal Mr. Trump's emphatic glee regarding torture.

superkuh 8y ago
The last 3 presidents have all supported the expansion of executive power, torture programs, and used (and expanded) the purely executive branch assassination program. They've all been terrible people who support torture and assassination. Obama and Trump take it even further by assassinating US citizens including minors.
- creaghpatr 8y ago
  Which US citizen(s) including minors did the Trump administration assasinate?
  - whatshisface 8y ago
    I'm not sure what the OP talked about, but minors are frequently killed as collateral damage in areas where the US is taking military action. This is especially common when explosives are used in heavily populated areas, like the many online videos where a strike is carried out in a city. Assange helped reveal that in some cases, US citizens are killed as well (this was in the movie when he was played by Benedict Cumberbatch).
  - superkuh 8y ago
    Despite what the shortened URL may look like this covers the US minor that Trump assasinated too. https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/ https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-o... These were not just collateral damage. It took 2 strikes to get the older brother. It's unclear how many were done to get the sister. At least publically all that is known about the father in terms of wrong-doing was making videos about how US foreign policy was damaging on youtube. They say he's a 'bad guy' but there's never been any evidence given. He was taken out long before they went back in to get the kids.
    - DoctorOetker 8y ago
      I don't understand why your upper comment was downvoted since it points at a core aspect of the systemic problem that in a democracy the different branches are supposed to keep each other in check: legislative, judiciary and executive branches. If you have an executive branch without oversight from the judiciary, it just grows like a cancer since the executive government doesn't need to prove anything, and the right to legal defense is vaporized... your quote: >... used (and expanded) the purely executive branch assassination program
      - superkuh 8y ago
        >I don't understand why your upper comment was downvoted There are two reasons I can think of. The first is that it really doesn't have much to do with Snowden's legacy. It's a tangent (even if I didn't start it). That's justifiable downvoting. The second is cognitive dissonance from acknowledging the problems of US government aren't all entirely the result of Trump. It's run of the mill partisan thinking. Often people think by highlighting the same bad behavior of past administrations I'm supporting the current. Not true, but partisans are gonna partisan.
buboard 8y ago
misdirection

jacobush 8y ago

Oh, they just want the intelligence community to spy on and murder who the president points at. To shut up and do what they are told.

detcader 8y ago
It's more accurate to say "the king". People still want a king. I hope Trump critics can start identifying this soon...
- jacobush 8y ago
  It reminds of the biblical story of Israel, when the people were fed up with the corruption of the judges, who ruled the land. The judges were a sort of a "checks and balances" system. The people were not happy with the sorry state of the system. They said, other countries have kings and order, we want one too. So the most prominent prophet listened to the will of the people and said, "ok, you will have a king, I will anoint one for you, you might not like what you get though". To me the current situation rings like an echo of that, people want strong leaders to fix their problems. "History never repeats, but it rhymes" -- probably not Mark Twain