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Kind of curious about what you're saying. Essentially that when the dev is getting up to speed with that training they quickly become more valuable to the compa

Kind of curious about what you're saying. Essentially that when the dev is getting up to speed with that training they quickly become more valuable to the company but the company isn't willing to acknowledge it?

hobofan 8y ago
One part of their answer is that it might also not be well aligned with their self-interest. Someone right out of college might take any job they can get a hand on (e.g. webdev). Later after they've gained some experience, and also matured more overall, they might notice that ther are other areas they are more interested in (e.g. IoT), which the company doesn't offer and now they are in a position where they can easily choose such a job.
oh-kumudo 8y ago
One thing the current company oftentime couldn't offer is a change of scope and focus, bigger companies tend to be better since they have many more teams that work on very different projects. Another observation I had is that the upwards mobility is easier in between companies than within the company. The sad truth is, most companies only acknowledge your importance when they are about to lose you. If they consider you are comfortable in your position, they have no incentive to promote you. So assessing yourself against the job market periodically is a logical and practical way to keep your career path in check, regardless of your company.
thayne 8y ago
That's only part of it (although I have certainly seen that existing employees raises don't compete with the salaries of new hires with the same amount of experience at the same company). Another part is that if you hire an inexperienced programmer, not only do they have lower productivity than an engineer with 2+ years experience, but they lower the productivity of at least one other senior engineer that needs to mentor them and bring them up to speed. I'd estimate that mentoring a new inexperienced hire would at least half the mentor's productivity for a couple months at least. If you hire someone that's already worked a couple years, that lost productivity was paid for by a different company.

hobofan 8y ago

One part of their answer is that it might also not be well aligned with their self-interest. Someone right out of college might take any job they can get a hand on (e.g. webdev). Later after they've gained some experience, and also matured more overall, they might notice that ther are other areas they are more interested in (e.g. IoT), which the company doesn't offer and now they are in a position where they can easily choose such a job.

oh-kumudo 8y ago

One thing the current company oftentime couldn't offer is a change of scope and focus, bigger companies tend to be better since they have many more teams that work on very different projects. Another observation I had is that the upwards mobility is easier in between companies than within the company. The sad truth is, most companies only acknowledge your importance when they are about to lose you. If they consider you are comfortable in your position, they have no incentive to promote you. So assessing yourself against the job market periodically is a logical and practical way to keep your career path in check, regardless of your company.

thayne 8y ago

That's only part of it (although I have certainly seen that existing employees raises don't compete with the salaries of new hires with the same amount of experience at the same company). Another part is that if you hire an inexperienced programmer, not only do they have lower productivity than an engineer with 2+ years experience, but they lower the productivity of at least one other senior engineer that needs to mentor them and bring them up to speed. I'd estimate that mentoring a new inexperienced hire would at least half the mentor's productivity for a couple months at least. If you hire someone that's already worked a couple years, that lost productivity was paid for by a different company.