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Which sites go into that list? Who gets the margin on it? Who decides how much the sites get and how much is "spent" on infrastructure? Can't wait to buy my "I

Which sites go into that list? Who gets the margin on it? Who decides how much the sites get and how much is "spent" on infrastructure? Can't wait to buy my "Internet Pass"!

xellisx 8y ago
Also it would start to feel like paying for cable. 1000 channels, and I only watch maybe 5.
amelius 8y ago
Someone should figure out a way to: - Track how many sites a user visits, without knowing which sites the user visits. Call this number N. - Charge the user for N visits. - Distribute the money to the original websites, without anyone knowing (not even their banks?) Sounds like a nice task for a cryptography researcher.
- y4mi 8y ago
  way too easy to game. just spread a virus... or chrome extension which keep querying your websites there is no way to implement this with technology in a reasonable manner unless you monitor every action every user does at any time. which would be (at least in my opinion) worse.
  - amelius 8y ago
    > just spread a virus Yes, but by that logic a banking website could also be compromised.
    - beagle3 8y ago
      And they often are (in the sense that people have malware on their computers that try to siphon data and passwords when they go to a banking site) And banks spend a lot of money to minimize that; less affluent business won’t be able to properly deal with that.
      - amelius 8y ago
        > And banks spend a lot of money to minimize that Any examples of that, relevant to a desktop bank website user? Do they sell antivirus solutions, or work with browser vendors to improve security? I suspect banks have some kind of money-back obligation when hacked, but curious how far that goes when a sizeable part of their customers is hacked.
        beagle3 8y ago
        Some banks force you to use a token to log in. Korean banks required an activex that scanned your computer. These measures surely raise the bar though I don’t know how effective they actually are.
nine_k 8y ago
Now ad networks and sites bid for the amount to charge for ads shown in an ad slot on a web site. They can equally bid for the amount to charge from a customer directly. If your payment for not seeing an ad outbids ad networks, you don't see the ad. E.g. imagine that you agree to pay up to 5¢ automatically for visiting a page is the site asks for it, up to 15¢ per session. If the required sum is above it, you get notified (pay or not). You can configure your browser according to your tastes: accept larger charges from particular sites, always decline any paid pages from some other sites, bid for removal of video ads more aggressively than for static text ads, etc. A clearinghouse company should handle this the same way an ad network would. Viewers would put some money to their account, and that would be written off in larger transactions e.g. weekly (dollars, not cents). I believe such solutions were tried in the past, but did not work too well. I suppose most people value their attention much lower than hard cash.

Which sites go into that list? Who gets the margin on it? Who decides how much the sites get and how much is "spent" on infrastructure? Can't wait to buy my "Internet Pass"!

xellisx 8y ago

Also it would start to feel like paying for cable. 1000 channels, and I only watch maybe 5.

amelius 8y ago

Someone should figure out a way to: - Track how many sites a user visits, without knowing which sites the user visits. Call this number N. - Charge the user for N visits. - Distribute the money to the original websites, without anyone knowing (not even their banks?) Sounds like a nice task for a cryptography researcher.

y4mi 8y ago
way too easy to game. just spread a virus... or chrome extension which keep querying your websites there is no way to implement this with technology in a reasonable manner unless you monitor every action every user does at any time. which would be (at least in my opinion) worse.
- amelius 8y ago
  > just spread a virus Yes, but by that logic a banking website could also be compromised.
  - beagle3 8y ago
    And they often are (in the sense that people have malware on their computers that try to siphon data and passwords when they go to a banking site) And banks spend a lot of money to minimize that; less affluent business won’t be able to properly deal with that.
    - amelius 8y ago
      > And banks spend a lot of money to minimize that Any examples of that, relevant to a desktop bank website user? Do they sell antivirus solutions, or work with browser vendors to improve security? I suspect banks have some kind of money-back obligation when hacked, but curious how far that goes when a sizeable part of their customers is hacked.
      - beagle3 8y ago
        Some banks force you to use a token to log in. Korean banks required an activex that scanned your computer. These measures surely raise the bar though I don’t know how effective they actually are.

nine_k 8y ago

Now ad networks and sites bid for the amount to charge for ads shown in an ad slot on a web site. They can equally bid for the amount to charge from a customer directly. If your payment for not seeing an ad outbids ad networks, you don't see the ad. E.g. imagine that you agree to pay up to 5¢ automatically for visiting a page is the site asks for it, up to 15¢ per session. If the required sum is above it, you get notified (pay or not). You can configure your browser according to your tastes: accept larger charges from particular sites, always decline any paid pages from some other sites, bid for removal of video ads more aggressively than for static text ads, etc. A clearinghouse company should handle this the same way an ad network would. Viewers would put some money to their account, and that would be written off in larger transactions e.g. weekly (dollars, not cents). I believe such solutions were tried in the past, but did not work too well. I suppose most people value their attention much lower than hard cash.