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For $700! This is the stand up push style pedestrian scooter. What they are selling is the larger motoscooter (I wish the English language had a better way to

by yardie 8y ago

For $700! This is the stand up push style pedestrian scooter. What they are selling is the larger motoscooter (I wish the English language had a better way to indicate the difference). Similar to a Vespa which is far more than $700.

victornomad 8y ago
In China you can buy quite nice e-scooter (Vespa-like) for around 2500 - 3000 CNY which is around 320-400euro. I think the reason that dont come to other countries is just pure lobbying from local companies.
- Tepix 8y ago
  What type of batteries do they have?
- hwillis 8y ago
  I would guess it has much more to do with shipping and dealerships- you can get these things delivered, but even a horrible quality gas scooter costs 800-1000 USD delivered. A buddy bought one several years ago. It showed up at his doorstep in a neat little box and worked quite nicely once we had changed the oil (full of metal shavings from manufacture), although the CVT and tiny engine weren't quite up to getting on the highway. Even most scooters and motorcycles in the US are sold through dealers, and they will simply be making no money on a vehicle that costs <$500. It's probably only feasible to store them in a warehouse and ship via freight, which is expensive. I don't know why you don't see them in Walmart, but maybe there's some sort of law or maybe even Walmart can't move them.
- harias 8y ago
  They wouldn't pass the safety standards. Most Indian cars got a zero from NCAP
  - nradov 8y ago
    There are barely any safety standards for scooters.
- yardie 8y ago
  Safety, emissions, and probably IP protection are more likely. Even Piaggio stopped selling scooters in the US because their 2-stroke motors couldn’t meet our emissions requirements.
  - CyberDildonics 8y ago
    You think an electric scooter has problems with emissions?
freddie_mercury 8y ago
No, $700 is not a push style pedestrian scooter where I live. That would be an insane amount of money to spend on something like that here. $700 gets you something that you can drive on the city streets & highways with a range of 100km and can carry 2 people. https://www.pega.com.vn/product/Aura/images/aura-xanh.png https://www.pega.com.vn/product/Aura/images/aura-xanh.png
- ElBarto 8y ago
  So, by "not the US" did you mean Vietnam, then? That would have been clearer.
  - emptyfile 8y ago
    Did you think "not the US" meant Canada?
    - alistairSH 8y ago
      No, there's a huge difference between 1st world nations and up-coming Asian nations. Cost of any given consumer item is vastly different, salaries vastly different, and in automotive industries, a HUGE difference in safety and design.
      - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
        How much difference can there really be, safety-wise? It's a scooter...
        alistairSH 8y ago
        Emissions. Quality of battery pack (lots of stored energy) on electrics. General durability/quality (things like fasteners, tires, brake lines) that might not impact immediate safety, but over time failures cause problems.
- C1sc0cat 8y ago
C1sc0cat 8y ago
In English Scooter does mean a small wheel Italian style moped is the large wheeled step though Honda C90 et al are mopeds
- kbutler 8y ago
  That's one definition. From google define, a second definition is: "a vehicle typically ridden as a recreation, consisting of a footboard mounted on two wheels and a long steering handle, propelled by resting one foot on the footboard and pushing the other against the ground." This also comes in electric versions (some of which even incorporate seats!): https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+scooter&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+scooter&safe=strict...
- kevin_thibedeau 8y ago
  Despite being commonly conflated, mopeds are not scooters. The former having actual crank pedals and the latter not.
- Broken_Hippo 8y ago
  Not really. In many areas, the words are used as synonyms. A scooter could be anything from an unpowered skateboard with a stick to a some powered wheelchairs to a moped with decent speeds, electric or gasoline. A moped is always something one sits on and has wheels, though it can include both the small and large wheels. Even the legal definitions don't reflect that. The difference is often more dependent on the size of engine, the speeds the vehicle can go, and things like that. These distinctions can make a difference in plates and insurance.

by yardie 8y ago

victornomad 8y ago

In China you can buy quite nice e-scooter (Vespa-like) for around 2500 - 3000 CNY which is around 320-400euro. I think the reason that dont come to other countries is just pure lobbying from local companies.

Tepix 8y ago
What type of batteries do they have?
hwillis 8y ago
I would guess it has much more to do with shipping and dealerships- you can get these things delivered, but even a horrible quality gas scooter costs 800-1000 USD delivered. A buddy bought one several years ago. It showed up at his doorstep in a neat little box and worked quite nicely once we had changed the oil (full of metal shavings from manufacture), although the CVT and tiny engine weren't quite up to getting on the highway. Even most scooters and motorcycles in the US are sold through dealers, and they will simply be making no money on a vehicle that costs <$500. It's probably only feasible to store them in a warehouse and ship via freight, which is expensive. I don't know why you don't see them in Walmart, but maybe there's some sort of law or maybe even Walmart can't move them.
harias 8y ago
They wouldn't pass the safety standards. Most Indian cars got a zero from NCAP
- nradov 8y ago
  There are barely any safety standards for scooters.
yardie 8y ago
Safety, emissions, and probably IP protection are more likely. Even Piaggio stopped selling scooters in the US because their 2-stroke motors couldn’t meet our emissions requirements.
- CyberDildonics 8y ago
  You think an electric scooter has problems with emissions?

freddie_mercury 8y ago

No, $700 is not a push style pedestrian scooter where I live. That would be an insane amount of money to spend on something like that here. $700 gets you something that you can drive on the city streets & highways with a range of 100km and can carry 2 people. https://www.pega.com.vn/product/Aura/images/aura-xanh.png https://www.pega.com.vn/product/Aura/images/aura-xanh.png

ElBarto 8y ago
So, by "not the US" did you mean Vietnam, then? That would have been clearer.
- emptyfile 8y ago
  Did you think "not the US" meant Canada?
  - alistairSH 8y ago
    No, there's a huge difference between 1st world nations and up-coming Asian nations. Cost of any given consumer item is vastly different, salaries vastly different, and in automotive industries, a HUGE difference in safety and design.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 8y ago
      How much difference can there really be, safety-wise? It's a scooter...
      - alistairSH 8y ago
        Emissions. Quality of battery pack (lots of stored energy) on electrics. General durability/quality (things like fasteners, tires, brake lines) that might not impact immediate safety, but over time failures cause problems.
C1sc0cat 8y ago

C1sc0cat 8y ago

In English Scooter does mean a small wheel Italian style moped is the large wheeled step though Honda C90 et al are mopeds

kbutler 8y ago
That's one definition. From google define, a second definition is: "a vehicle typically ridden as a recreation, consisting of a footboard mounted on two wheels and a long steering handle, propelled by resting one foot on the footboard and pushing the other against the ground." This also comes in electric versions (some of which even incorporate seats!): https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+scooter&safe=strict&source=lnms&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=electric+scooter&safe=strict...
kevin_thibedeau 8y ago
Despite being commonly conflated, mopeds are not scooters. The former having actual crank pedals and the latter not.
Broken_Hippo 8y ago
Not really. In many areas, the words are used as synonyms. A scooter could be anything from an unpowered skateboard with a stick to a some powered wheelchairs to a moped with decent speeds, electric or gasoline. A moped is always something one sits on and has wheels, though it can include both the small and large wheels. Even the legal definitions don't reflect that. The difference is often more dependent on the size of engine, the speeds the vehicle can go, and things like that. These distinctions can make a difference in plates and insurance.