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Regardless of the actual story, which I do feel has merit, there are examples of why it is perilous to rely on one news source: "whose family couldn’t get scho

Regardless of the actual story, which I do feel has merit, there are examples of why it is perilous to rely on one news source: "whose family couldn’t get school meals in Dumfries, Scotland, because of their immigration status" Actually they couldn't get free school meals, just like anyone else with a household income over £16k. A subtle omission but one that makes it sound like they were excluded from food entirely: https://www.mygov.scot/school-meals/ https://www.mygov.scot/school-meals/

pbhjpbhj 8y ago
Families below the income cut-off don't get fsm if they're working at all in Wales, not quite sure how that's supposed to work.
ptx 8y ago
I felt that was implied and obvious from context, since the entire article was about poverty. (But perhaps also because school meals are always free where I come from.)
DanBC 8y ago
> just like anyone else with a household income over £16k You've assumed that this child has been refused free school meals because of their financial status. The rapporteur is talking about the mis-application of "no recourse to public funds" rules. A family that has NRPF should still be able to get free school meals, but sometimes the schools don't understand this. This is a family who is poor, and who should be getting free school meals, but who aren't.
- dogma1138 8y ago
  No recourse to public funds applies to only specific work immigration permits all of which would have salary requirements that would make them ineligible to receive these benefits in the first place. In fact applying for or using public funds while on an NRPF visa violates its terms and could result in deportation.
  - DanBC 8y ago
    > No recourse to public funds applies to only specific work immigration permits No it doesn't. It can apply to students, spouses, people who are granted leave on the basis of family or private life, to people who have exhausted their appeals to leave, to asylum seekers; etc. http://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk/information/Pages/asylum-seekers.aspx http://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk/information/Pages/asylum-seeke... https://www.childrenslegalcentre.com/resources/no-recourse-public-funds-nrpf/ https://www.childrenslegalcentre.com/resources/no-recourse-p... This hits children because free school meals are sometimes gatewayed by access to child tax credit or working tax credit, and those are public funds.
    - dogma1138 8y ago
      Yes it is. Students can’t bring dependants without showing they are financially capable to support them, spouses and children of work permit holders are dependents which also means that their sponsor must meet base salary requirements + additional requirements for each dependent. The rest are not here legally, are in the process of being deported or are in process of getting a permit so why the fuck would they have access to public funds in the first place?

pbhjpbhj 8y ago

Families below the income cut-off don't get fsm if they're working at all in Wales, not quite sure how that's supposed to work.

ptx 8y ago

I felt that was implied and obvious from context, since the entire article was about poverty. (But perhaps also because school meals are always free where I come from.)

DanBC 8y ago

> just like anyone else with a household income over £16k You've assumed that this child has been refused free school meals because of their financial status. The rapporteur is talking about the mis-application of "no recourse to public funds" rules. A family that has NRPF should still be able to get free school meals, but sometimes the schools don't understand this. This is a family who is poor, and who should be getting free school meals, but who aren't.

dogma1138 8y ago
No recourse to public funds applies to only specific work immigration permits all of which would have salary requirements that would make them ineligible to receive these benefits in the first place. In fact applying for or using public funds while on an NRPF visa violates its terms and could result in deportation.
- DanBC 8y ago
  > No recourse to public funds applies to only specific work immigration permits No it doesn't. It can apply to students, spouses, people who are granted leave on the basis of family or private life, to people who have exhausted their appeals to leave, to asylum seekers; etc. http://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk/information/Pages/asylum-seekers.aspx http://www.nrpfnetwork.org.uk/information/Pages/asylum-seeke... https://www.childrenslegalcentre.com/resources/no-recourse-public-funds-nrpf/ https://www.childrenslegalcentre.com/resources/no-recourse-p... This hits children because free school meals are sometimes gatewayed by access to child tax credit or working tax credit, and those are public funds.
  - dogma1138 8y ago
    Yes it is. Students can’t bring dependants without showing they are financially capable to support them, spouses and children of work permit holders are dependents which also means that their sponsor must meet base salary requirements + additional requirements for each dependent. The rest are not here legally, are in the process of being deported or are in process of getting a permit so why the fuck would they have access to public funds in the first place?