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Nissan makes more EV's than Tesla by a bit.

adventured 8y ago
Nissan has definitely done a fair job with the Leaf. I'm not aware that they're still outselling Tesla on a quarterly basis now, due to the Model 3's sales explosion. Do you have the latest numbers on Nissan's EV sales for 2018 - how does that stack up to what's expected of Tesla for the full year? Tesla's primary competitors are BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Audi, Infiniti. Anyone selling a lot of cars over ~$45,000.
tigershark 8y ago
It’s totally false. Model 3 sales are about 15 times greater than leaf sales in the last months.
- goodcanadian 8y ago
  I would say it's not totally false. It was a bit hard to find comparable numbers, but it seems to me that Model 3 sales have outpaced Leaf sales recently as you note. However, it was true until quite recently that Nissan Leaf was the best selling, and it appears that it is the all time top selling EV model overall (Model S would appear to be number two). Tesla may have also taken the title of most cars overall, but that is spread across three models, and again is due to the recent boom in Model 3 sales which may or may not be sustainable. Now that the market is proven, it would be fairly easy for Nissan to introduce new models if they like, and other companies are actively introducing EV models (which are probably impacting Nissan as well as Tesla). It is not at all clear to me that Tesla is as dominant as you seem to imply. It is fairly clear to me that Nissan has so far done more in bringing EVs to the mainstream than Tesla has (not to minimise Tesla's very significant contribution).
  - tigershark 8y ago
    It’s not hard at all. Nissan Leaf sales figures for August 2018 are 1315: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-sales-august-2018/amp/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-sal... For the Tesla Model 3 are 20450: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-august-passenger-car-overall-auto-sales/amp/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.teslarati.com/tesla-model... So model 3 was selling actually 15.5 more than Nissan leaf. And the gap will only increase as the production increases.
    - marvin 8y ago
      Are these global sales? Leafs are everywhere in Norway, so that would mean that we get the lion's share of the entire production.
      - tigershark 8y ago
        Obviously US sales, model 3 is sold only in US and Canada.
        reitzensteinm 8y ago
        The context of the conversation is how far ahead Tesla is. Using US only sales figures for the Leaf, rather than worldwide which was almost 7k in August, serves only to exaggerate the gap in a misleading way.
- Markoff 8y ago
  maybe in us, but herehere i can hardly see Tesla while police sometimes and public drive leaf and there are few small electric BMW, talks outside us/Norway doesn't really exist
  - CydeWeys 8y ago
    I've seen a decent number of Teslas in Spain, for whatever reason.
  - tigershark 8y ago
    Model 3 is sold only in US and Canada, so I would be rather surprised if you saw it elsewhere.

Nissan has definitely done a fair job with the Leaf. I'm not aware that they're still outselling Tesla on a quarterly basis now, due to the Model 3's sales explosion. Do you have the latest numbers on Nissan's EV sales for 2018 - how does that stack up to what's expected of Tesla for the full year? Tesla's primary competitors are BMW, Mercedes, Lexus, Audi, Infiniti. Anyone selling a lot of cars over ~$45,000.

tigershark 8y ago

It’s totally false. Model 3 sales are about 15 times greater than leaf sales in the last months.

goodcanadian 8y ago
I would say it's not totally false. It was a bit hard to find comparable numbers, but it seems to me that Model 3 sales have outpaced Leaf sales recently as you note. However, it was true until quite recently that Nissan Leaf was the best selling, and it appears that it is the all time top selling EV model overall (Model S would appear to be number two). Tesla may have also taken the title of most cars overall, but that is spread across three models, and again is due to the recent boom in Model 3 sales which may or may not be sustainable. Now that the market is proven, it would be fairly easy for Nissan to introduce new models if they like, and other companies are actively introducing EV models (which are probably impacting Nissan as well as Tesla). It is not at all clear to me that Tesla is as dominant as you seem to imply. It is fairly clear to me that Nissan has so far done more in bringing EVs to the mainstream than Tesla has (not to minimise Tesla's very significant contribution).
- tigershark 8y ago
  It’s not hard at all. Nissan Leaf sales figures for August 2018 are 1315: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-sales-august-2018/amp/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-sal... For the Tesla Model 3 are 20450: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-august-passenger-car-overall-auto-sales/amp/ https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.teslarati.com/tesla-model... So model 3 was selling actually 15.5 more than Nissan leaf. And the gap will only increase as the production increases.
  - marvin 8y ago
    Are these global sales? Leafs are everywhere in Norway, so that would mean that we get the lion's share of the entire production.
    - tigershark 8y ago
      Obviously US sales, model 3 is sold only in US and Canada.
      - reitzensteinm 8y ago
        The context of the conversation is how far ahead Tesla is. Using US only sales figures for the Leaf, rather than worldwide which was almost 7k in August, serves only to exaggerate the gap in a misleading way.
Markoff 8y ago
maybe in us, but herehere i can hardly see Tesla while police sometimes and public drive leaf and there are few small electric BMW, talks outside us/Norway doesn't really exist
- CydeWeys 8y ago
  I've seen a decent number of Teslas in Spain, for whatever reason.
- tigershark 8y ago
  Model 3 is sold only in US and Canada, so I would be rather surprised if you saw it elsewhere.