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There are many openly gay people in Singapore. I'm glad weed is banned, as is every other drug. Malay people are not stigmatized in Singapore. I would quite li

There are many openly gay people in Singapore. I'm glad weed is banned, as is every other drug. Malay people are not stigmatized in Singapore. I would quite literally live in any Asian country before choosing any Western country. But hey, each to their own right?

icebraining 8y ago
banned, as is every other drug Alcohol and tobacco are banned in Singapore?!
- paganel 8y ago
  Hope they haven’t banned coffee, also.
matthewmacleod 8y ago
On the other hand, same-sex sexual activity is literally illegal in Singapore. That’s not something that I think I am willing to adopt a “difference of opinion” view on - it’s objectively offensive to my moral system, and supporting that idea is not acceptable to me. There is too much “whataboutism” going on here. Criticism of Singapore’s pseudo-police-state doesn’t mean that the US doesn’t have a crippling racism problem, or that the UK’s surveillance state is okay.
- anoncoward111 8y ago
  Surprised this is downvoted. Same sex intercourse is de jure illegal in Singapore. This was the basis of my original comment!
Kaveren 8y ago
Alcohol and caffeine both appear to be legal in Singapore. Perhaps we should criminalize it and sentence anyone who uses both of those to prison time. They're drugs, after all! Or we could recognize people's personal freedoms and understand that sacrificing them to achieve a dystopic police state is not worth it. I vehemently disagree with people like you that public order and compliance is such an important end that all means to get there are justified. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore was a link I thought to be at least tangentially related. My position has always been and will always be against anyone that wants almost total control over what other people can do. Authoritarianism is never worth it.
- philliphaydon 8y ago
  Hmm I’m not sure where I stated I was for total control over what people do.
  - Kaveren 8y ago
    If you're in favor of Singapore's draconian restrictions on free speech and criminal justice system among other issues combined with blanket public surveillance, you're approaching "total control".
    - philliphaydon 8y ago
      Where did I say any of that? Because it’s GOOD that drugs are banned? If that’s what qualifies as total control in your world then you live in a pretty small narrow world.
      - Kaveren 8y ago
        The contexts of my reply were about your reply to the other poster's comment. You seemed dismissive of legitimate points brought up about the inability to make many choices freely, as if it were something you didn't care about. You also said in the reply that you'd prefer to live in any Asian country before any Western country. I think my interpretation was fair given the context. It wasn't about the legality of drugs, though the draconian criminal justice system surrounding it was more of my point. Edit: Removed sentence fragment I forgot to delete.
        philliphaydon 8y ago
        Asia has a Long way to go in regards to things like gay marriage. So does the western world. My point is there are many openly gay people in Singapore. While the law is against gay/anal sex (if I remember correctly anal sex is against the law too) and gay marriage is not allowed. It doesn’t mean people are forbidden to be gay in Singapore. I’m against drugs outright. Weed included. The laws are strict in Asia. Not just singapore. However singapore has stated that if the overwhelming scientific conclusion is that weed is ok. Then they are open for allowing it in Singapore for Medical purposes. However since there is still a lot of conflicting science (despite there being positive benefits to weed) singapore wants it to remain banned. Alcohol consumption is only a real issue with foreigners in Singapore. It’s taxed so high here no one drinks other than foreigners. (About to board a plane so have to stop)
isostatic 8y ago
> I would quite literally live in any Asian country before choosing any Western country. You'd choose North Korea over Sweden?
- philliphaydon 8y ago
  Oh hell yes!
  - dsfyu404ed 8y ago
    Maybe your government can work out some deal where NK gets you and they get some North Korean who doesn't want to live in NK.
    - philliphaydon 8y ago
      Lol. I live in Singapore. But my statement still stands. I would pick any country in Asia over a country in the west. I like Swedish people but the country isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be, it’s not somewhere I would want to live.
- Hnrobert42 8y ago
  Dont feed trolls.
- acct1771 8y ago
  Well, that's the easiest flame-war ever.

icebraining 8y ago

banned, as is every other drug Alcohol and tobacco are banned in Singapore?!

paganel 8y ago
Hope they haven’t banned coffee, also.

matthewmacleod 8y ago

On the other hand, same-sex sexual activity is literally illegal in Singapore. That’s not something that I think I am willing to adopt a “difference of opinion” view on - it’s objectively offensive to my moral system, and supporting that idea is not acceptable to me. There is too much “whataboutism” going on here. Criticism of Singapore’s pseudo-police-state doesn’t mean that the US doesn’t have a crippling racism problem, or that the UK’s surveillance state is okay.

anoncoward111 8y ago
Surprised this is downvoted. Same sex intercourse is de jure illegal in Singapore. This was the basis of my original comment!

Kaveren 8y ago

Alcohol and caffeine both appear to be legal in Singapore. Perhaps we should criminalize it and sentence anyone who uses both of those to prison time. They're drugs, after all! Or we could recognize people's personal freedoms and understand that sacrificing them to achieve a dystopic police state is not worth it. I vehemently disagree with people like you that public order and compliance is such an important end that all means to get there are justified. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Singapore was a link I thought to be at least tangentially related. My position has always been and will always be against anyone that wants almost total control over what other people can do. Authoritarianism is never worth it.

philliphaydon 8y ago
Hmm I’m not sure where I stated I was for total control over what people do.
- Kaveren 8y ago
  If you're in favor of Singapore's draconian restrictions on free speech and criminal justice system among other issues combined with blanket public surveillance, you're approaching "total control".
  - philliphaydon 8y ago
    Where did I say any of that? Because it’s GOOD that drugs are banned? If that’s what qualifies as total control in your world then you live in a pretty small narrow world.
    - Kaveren 8y ago
      The contexts of my reply were about your reply to the other poster's comment. You seemed dismissive of legitimate points brought up about the inability to make many choices freely, as if it were something you didn't care about. You also said in the reply that you'd prefer to live in any Asian country before any Western country. I think my interpretation was fair given the context. It wasn't about the legality of drugs, though the draconian criminal justice system surrounding it was more of my point. Edit: Removed sentence fragment I forgot to delete.
      - philliphaydon 8y ago
        Asia has a Long way to go in regards to things like gay marriage. So does the western world. My point is there are many openly gay people in Singapore. While the law is against gay/anal sex (if I remember correctly anal sex is against the law too) and gay marriage is not allowed. It doesn’t mean people are forbidden to be gay in Singapore. I’m against drugs outright. Weed included. The laws are strict in Asia. Not just singapore. However singapore has stated that if the overwhelming scientific conclusion is that weed is ok. Then they are open for allowing it in Singapore for Medical purposes. However since there is still a lot of conflicting science (despite there being positive benefits to weed) singapore wants it to remain banned. Alcohol consumption is only a real issue with foreigners in Singapore. It’s taxed so high here no one drinks other than foreigners. (About to board a plane so have to stop)

isostatic 8y ago

> I would quite literally live in any Asian country before choosing any Western country. You'd choose North Korea over Sweden?

philliphaydon 8y ago
Oh hell yes!
- dsfyu404ed 8y ago
  Maybe your government can work out some deal where NK gets you and they get some North Korean who doesn't want to live in NK.
  - philliphaydon 8y ago
    Lol. I live in Singapore. But my statement still stands. I would pick any country in Asia over a country in the west. I like Swedish people but the country isn’t all that it’s cracked up to be, it’s not somewhere I would want to live.
Hnrobert42 8y ago
Dont feed trolls.
acct1771 8y ago
Well, that's the easiest flame-war ever.