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Tulsa Remote
- rmason 8y agoI predict this is going to start a trend. For a whole lot less than the $48,000 a job municipalities paid to attract Amazon why not spend a fifth of that and draw in thousands of remote workers?
- Forge36 8y ago@soared pointed out that Vermont is also offering $10,000 to move and work remotely. I can see this remaining a quiet movement. If it's successful I can see states competing for people the same way they compete for tourism (or on the last page of the travel brochure: "You came, you saw. Want $10,000 and are willing to relocate? Call XXX")
- Matthias247 8y agoAs long as there is not also a trend at companies to offer more remote jobs that unfortunately won't help too much. I would appreciate it if both things become a trend.
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- buboard 8y agoIf that becomes a trend, more exotic destinations will be far more attractive. At least, that's what happening with the young demographic of nomads.
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- soared 8y agoSimilar initiative from Vermont: https://qz.com/work/1289727/vermont-will-pay-you-10000-to-move-there-and-work-remotely/ https://qz.com/work/1289727/vermont-will-pay-you-10000-to-mo...
- OhSoHumble 8y agoI looked into moving to Vermont but the main problem was that there was an extreme lack of housing. The cities in Vermont are incredibly small and have very little in the way of new developments. I tried trawling Craigslist but I just couldn't find many attractive places to live.
- ghaff 8y agoVermont is probably not a place to live in general if you have city living (or even the center of a town with all the amenities) in mind. Mostly, you move to Vermont to get a house in the woods someplace.
- lj3 8y agoKeep in mind that Craigslist may not be the best way to find an apartment. From what I've seen, smaller cities don't tend to use online services for things like apartment hunting. Things are still done the old way: word of mouth, posting signs on the apartment itself, newspaper classifieds.
- mcovey 8y agoThis is very true. I had a fantastic apartment that I got by walking in and asking about availability. They always seem to have something available within a few months, but don't advertise at all, anywhere. Yet remain at near-100% occupancy. Actually the only ad they really have is a "now leasing" sign with a phone number near the entrance.
- beatpanda 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Oklahoma#Discrimination_protections https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Oklahoma#Discri...
- claydavisss 8y agoThis is very forward-thinking. Props to whoever came up with this.
- Animats 8y agoThey sound desperate. Why would you move from one place to another place to be a remote worker for a third place? This would make more sense if there were businesses in Tulsa which needed more workers.
- whateveracct 8y agoI'm pretty sure they want you to move there and continue working where you already work (remotely).
- robotresearcher 8y agoThey do. According to CBS you don't qualify for the benefits if you take a local job. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tulsa-oklahoma-will-pay-you-10000-to-move-there-but-theres-a-catch/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tulsa-oklahoma-will-pay-you-100...
- Forge36 8y agoTulsa wants your tax income. If Tulsa can make it attractive, and a person's cost of living is reduced some people may take them up on the offer. Since many remote works choose where to live, a paid opportunity to move could be an ideal situation. Tulsa has made an offer, that you aren't interested does not mean Tulsa is desperate.
- thatcloudguy 8y agoBut in actual fact, they are desperate. Property values are dropping, they can't attract people to live there because it's an exceptionally boring place to live.
- Tehchops 8y agoThe political climate and the absolutely horrid public school funding are doing far more to drive educated white-collar workers away than arbitrary measures of "excitement" ever will.
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- Bjorkbat 8y agohttps://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/21/7-us-cities-that-will-pay-you-thousands-of-dollars-to-live-there.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/21/7-us-cities-that-will-pay-yo... Financial relocation incentives don't appear to be anything new, but the alternatives never seemed to ring any bells for me. Hard to pin down precisely, but I think part of it was the fact that a lot of them were asking you to settle down in what might as well be the frontier in terms of urban density and amenities, or maybe the city in question was a burnt-out husk of its former self (a different kind of frontier almost), or maybe the incentive wasn't so much cash as much as loan assistance or some other thing that doesn't sound as sexy. Looking at the website, pretty obvious that they're not asking me to settle in a small town or a burnt-out husk of a city. Despite my biases against Oklahoma, I get the sense that this is a pretty exciting place to be. On top of that, the incentives actually seem very practical. It's cash, plain and simple. I like it, if you couldn't already tell.
- stcredzero 8y agomaybe the city in question was a burnt-out husk of its former self As a joke, I'd say that the actual choice is between a less populated burnt-out husk of its former self, a heavily populated burnt-out husk of its former self, or some degree of truly nowhere.
- zumu 8y agoI went to high school in Tulsa, so allow me to clear up some misconceptions. > Looking at the website, pretty obvious that they're not asking me to settle in a small town or a burnt-out husk of a city. In reality Tulsa is somewhere in between a "small town" and a "burnt out husk of city". > Despite my biases against Oklahoma, I get the sense that this is a pretty exciting place to be. It is not. Its main benefits are being cheap and not super cold.
- metildaa 8y agoSee, I would be afraid to move to Tulsa with this context. I don't have a firm grasp on the economic outlook of the region, nor the demographics or the culture. Nor do I know how welcoming the citizens in Tulsa are toward gay, athiests like myself. I know most of my friends wouldn't feel comfortable (one calls the place she hails from Misery, in reference to the state and her former state of mind while growing up there).
- dougmwne 8y agoBoth Oklahoma and Vermont have close to a 5% state income tax on the first 100k of income, so for many on HN, this is more like a rebate on state income taxes over the first 2 years. I guess if you always dreamed of moving to these places this could be that little nudge to finally try it out.
- jupiter90000 8y agoI'd assume the 10k they pay out through this program is also subject to all the income taxes as well.
- xvedejas 8y agoThis means that states without income tax (WA, NV, TX, TN etc) are yet still more enticing for most high-earning professionals. I agree with other commenters saying this doesn't do much except help the people who always were considering moving to OK/VT.
- walrus01 8y agoIf you want to work remote AND live in a very quiet area, there are some nice rural areas of WA state... Remote parts of Chelan and Okanogan counties. Mountains, snow, forests, fruit farms, etc.
- seanmcdirmid 8y agoEastern Washington is kind of bland on everything but natural scrub scenery. Better to work in Vancouver without a state income tax and then shop in Portland without a sales tax.
- walrus01 8y agoit really depends where - a rural area outside of the tricities is going to be super dry, scrubby and bland... If you like mountains with real forests, go to north Okanogan county near the BC border, or Ferry or Stevens counties which are similar to northern Idaho. https://www.google.com/search?q=ferry+county+wa&num=100&client=ubuntu&hs=bqW&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9-OH47tfeAhUHK3wKHcSRCW0Q_AUIECgD&biw=1409&bih=874 https://www.google.com/search?q=ferry+county+wa&num=100&clie... The area around Lake Chelan is nice but it get super hot in summer. Not Arizona or NM hot, but nearly. https://www.google.com/search?q=lake+chelan+wa&num=100&client=ubuntu&hs=prW&channel=fs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjO8PSc79feAhXJwVQKHfj8C1UQ_AUIDygC&biw=1409&bih=874 https://www.google.com/search?q=lake+chelan+wa&num=100&clien...
- irl_zebra 8y agoThis is very cool, great website too. I actually looked up Tulsa while reading this. Well done. When I search Tulsa in Google maps the default street view is a desert looking place though. I wonder if they could affect that.
- Rafuino 8y agoHmm I wonder if I'd be eligible for this after having left Oklahoma post high school...
- prestonbriggs 8y agoI have a sister who recently bought a house in Tulsa. Their house is so large it's got rooms she's forgotten about... Pretty new, pool, nice neighborhood. Cost less than $300K. I don't know about the school district (Jenks). I'd sure like to see some progressive voters move down there.
- mrkurt 8y agoI went to Jenks! Not sure that helps you decide good vs bad though. :D
- romed 8y agoOklahoma public schools have gone downhill so rapidly that past experience is unfortunately no guide to the present.
- moinnadeem 8y agoJenks High School class of 2016, MIT class of 2020. Honestly, Jenks was an incredible high school to go to since it was public; having a $20M Math and Science center let me go to places like MIT.
- romed 8y agoThat’s good to hear. I went to OSSM in the 90s and the legislature tried to defund it.
- kevin_thibedeau 8y ago> having a $20M Math and Science center let me go to places like MIT. No it didn't.
- geekone 8y agoIt sure looks like it has a crazy nice math and science center: http://www.newson6.com/story/12523105/jenks-public-schools-breaks-ground-on-new-math-and-science-center http://www.newson6.com/story/12523105/jenks-public-schools-b... http://su2016.thedude.oucreate.com/uncategorized/jenks-high-school-math-and-science-center/ http://su2016.thedude.oucreate.com/uncategorized/jenks-high-...
- Finbarr 8y agoThis reminds me a lot of patio11’s fascinating write up about Japanese Hometown Tax. It makes total sense for small cities to pay for high earning remote workers to move there. Perhaps this will become a trend. https://www.kalzumeus.com/2018/10/19/japanese-hometown-tax/ https://www.kalzumeus.com/2018/10/19/japanese-hometown-tax/
- skrebbel 8y agoIt's related to hometown tax how? Because both have descriptions that include the words "town" and "money"?
- iNate2000 8y agoBoth are ways of compensating for brain drain.
- Finbarr 8y agoBecause it could create a situation where small cities and counties are competing against each other to win the favor of workers. It’s not an identical situation, and arguably this competition already exists, but it’s much more obvious when direct cash incentives are being offered.
- atomical 8y agoIt isn't a small city paying remote workers. I remember when Patrick objected to teachers being paid 60k a year.
- danimal88 8y agoIts interesting - given the 48k/job incentive that was being talked about for the amazon hq2, I wonder how the 10K in Oklahoma incentives compares. Of course, one is a corporate incentive in a place where a lot of skilled workers would likely be either way, and one is a place trying to attract talent, but on some level, it makes me wonder if the outrage over the tax incentives actually makes sense. Given the state income tax revenues and local economy inputs, it would seem that a 10K RAC (Resident Acquisition Cost) for someone making > 50K would be a no brainer assuming they still in Oklahoma for 4 years and the tax obligation is 5% to the state. Not sure what the numbers would look like in NY instead and whether the opportunity cost really applies since it would likely be full of ppl either way.
- Twirrim 8y agoAdmittedly this is aggregate for the whole state: https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oklahoma https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oklahoma Overall Rank Out of 50: #43 Health Care #48 Education #39 Economy #36 Opportunity #38 Infrastructure #31 Crime & Corrections #34 Fiscal Stability #22 Quality of Life #17 Those aren't great incentives for people with families to want to move. Might be more tolerable for younger folks? Of course, getting fresh tax revenue etc may be important towards getting those various things improved, and Tulsa might be significantly better than the rest of the state.
- legohead 8y agoMoved from Oklahoma City to California. Never going back. If you're religious, right-wing, and don't care about having outing options, then Oklahoma is the place for you.
- walrus01 8y agoI guarantee that if I spent more than one week in Oklahoma or Kansas, I would get into a terrible political argument with the locals. I can only bite my tongue for so long.
- andy_ppp 8y agoWhat I’ve never understood- what prevents me from, as a remorlte worker setting up a business in a tax haven and charging through that... I mean if this loophole is available to extremely well off individuals and companies why not for services...
- charlesdm 8y agoCFC laws, which is something most developed countries have. These will in most cases "look through" artificial companies set up in tax havens and attribute the income to you personally.
- lifeformed 8y agoI think they usually tax by where you do business (which is usually where you live, for remote work), not where it's incorporated.
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- wtfstatists 8y ago> I mean if this loophole is available to extremely well off individuals and companies why not for services... No you have to move at the very least. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6363371/Wall-Street-billionaire-Puerto-Rico-avoid-taxes.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6363371/Wall-Street... https://www.capitalism.com/taxes-in-puerto-rico/ https://www.capitalism.com/taxes-in-puerto-rico/
- niix 8y agoUseless loader is useless.
- chpmrc 8y agohttps://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Tulsa https://www.numbeo.com/crime/in/Tulsa Yeah...No.
- Twirrim 8y agoThat's self-reported data, rather than anything officially sourced.
- garysahota93 8y agoIt can't be worse than Fresno CA .. trust.
- magd 8y agoMy family in Tulsa confirmed that crime has gotten worse.
- scythe 8y agoTulsa's geographic upside is the nearby Ouachita Mountains. There's hiking, climbing and caving, moreso than in nearby cities like Dallas or Wichita. The downside is five snowy days per year and eleven above 100 Fahrenheit, and occasional cases of scary spinning sky triangles. This rules it out for me.
- chasd00 8y agoOklahoma is ground zero for crazy severe weather. I think they turn the tornado sirens on at the start of spring and just leave them on until about mid summer.
- ken 8y agoRemote workers already know they can live anywhere, and $10K is nice but for a professional software engineer it's not that great. So while I'm not looking to move, I'm curious what they're using to entice me to want to live there. What I see is ... a whole lot of drinking-related activities. "Experience" Oktoberfest, "Toast" at lots of bars, "Hang Out" at lots of other bars, "Brew" more beer. I wonder if this is more a reflection of what's in Tulsa, or who their target audience is.
- ajcodez 8y agoI think it's target audience. If you're in late 20's early 30's and single it hints at a vibrant social life that could lead to a relationship. It's probably easier to move your single self than transition to a long distance relationship or move your whole family. The cash incentive too of $10k goes a lot further in your 20's.
- nmca 8y agoI wonder if they thought that explicitly.
- abalone 8y agoI wonder if it would be useful to start including political culture in these comparisons. They tend to focus on cost of housing and “quality of life” metrics like the existence of third wave coffee and cocktail bars. And yet, clearly, there’s more to decisions than that. So many people who are queer, minority, or allies, disgusted by Trump and those who vote for him, may deeply resent living in hostile environments. I’m not saying this as a political statement but genuinely trying to highlight a major factor in deciding where to relocate. I can cite many anecdotes of folks who have tried living in different environments and fled due to (lack of) diversity and the political culture. These pitches and comparative analyses should give it due consideration.
- andai 8y agoWhat is the subjective experience of a lack of diversity? Boredom?
- lj3 8y ago> I can cite many anecdotes of folks who have tried living in different environments and fled due to (lack of) diversity and the political culture. The opposite is far more common. White Flight is not just the name of my Bee Gees cover band.
- squish78 8y agoSome people just want to go to work and support their families without dwelling on political and cultural issues
- samhain 8y agoThat's a fair point. The average voter in Oklahoma goes to the polls the night after watching Rosanne, drinking their 40, and reveling in the latest anti-abortion ad.
- mrfusion 8y agoWhy not offer incentives to employers to create remote jobs? That’s really where the bottleneck is.
- SteveNuts 8y agoThey don't necessarily want more remote workers, they want to attract workers that already have out-of-state jobs so they can collect the easy income tax and income from you living there.
- whalesalad 8y agoYeah but then you’re living in Tulsa... If the housing assistance wasn’t tied to a specific apartment complex I’d seriously consider it though. Just relocated back to my home state of California and my wife and I are already planning to leave when the lease is up.
- dgllghr 8y agoIs Oklahoma still refusing to fund their schools so they can stay open 5 days a week?
- nodesocket 8y ago> $10,000 cash. One thing to note, the state income tax rate in Tulsa is 4.44%, so if your business makes $100,000 a year in profit, expect to pay around $4,500 in state taxes. I live in the great state of Tennessee with zero state income tax, and I'd much rather be in Nashville than Tulsa.
- itomato 8y agoPlus Nashville is surrounded by Tennessee and hundreds of musicians and music lovers. Tulsa is surrounded by Oklahoma.
- ethagknight 8y agoI mean WOW the comments here are snotty against Tulsa. Relatively little discussion of the incentive itself, the fact that a single private individual is paying for the incentive (!!), or other dynamics of relocation to cheaper, easier towns for remote work. I visited Tulsa a few months ago to just check it out. I enjoyed it greatly. The Tulsa Gathering Place is absolutely unreal for a free public park. There is enough going on there to make it a worthwhile place to move to for a few years. A considerable amount of very high end architecture and art there. I am doing a multifamily development with similar (not nearly as generous) relocation incentives tied in through a medical district. Very interesting way to move the needle and encourage shifts in living. For most cities, this is a much cheaper way to approach affordable housing as well.
- TulliusCicero 8y ago> I mean WOW the comments here are snotty against Tulsa If there was an article about paying remote workers to move to SF, you'd get the exact same thing. I mean, obviously the specific complaints themselves would be different, but you'd still get the same rough tone and criticism.
- xfitm3 8y agoI don’t think SF would evoke quite the same reaction. There are a lot of politically fueled opinions and jabs at the population of Tulsa here.
- Cambridge_Man 8y agoI grew up in Tulsa as a minority. Went to Jenks Public schools. Two students in my graduation class got accepted to Harvard, and others to MIT, U Penn, and Duke. They have gone on to become successful tech entrepreneurs and professors. The graduating class after my year had 4 students accepted to Stanford. Non est ratio ad gustum ... Über Geschmack lässt sich nicht streiten ... Les goûts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas ... There is a reason why almost every language has an idiomatic expression to express the same idea. Tulsa may be a great place for you, it may be a not so great place for you. But dismissing an idea based on no real experience and innate prejudices is pretty stupid.
- viraptor 8y agoI'm a bit confused by the city/town split. I'd definitely describe Tulsa as a city, but then again I'm coming from a 150k people city and living in a 20k people town at the moment. The website seems to use them interchangeably, and I remember an article some time ago describing Austin as a "town" people move to. What are the thresholds in the US before people start saying something's a city?
- itronitron 8y agoIMHO, a town has one main street with the majority of businesses on that street. Don't believe any of the bullshit you read about Austin, it's not a town now and it wasn't a town even back in the 1970's.
- S_A_P 8y agoSpent 6 months on a project in Tulsa. I’m a big fan of the place. I was in the downtown area and ended up staying in the Mayo hotel most weeks. The incredible thing was that I was in a ~1500 square foot apartment style 2 bedroom with full kitchen and was paying on average 129/night. These rooms were 5-600 a night on weekends but the place was a ghost town during the work week. It was right next to the blue dome and bands like Pearl Jam, rob zombie, Katy perry all stayed in the place while I was there. Downtown becomes a ghost town at 5pm but there is a decent night life as well. I would totally live there.
- DoreenMichele 8y agoI don't qualify for this offer, and I wouldn't accept it if I did. I have a ragweed allergy. I was horribly ill when I lived in Kansas, probably at least in part because it is ragweed central. Oklahoma is also ragweed central. So that doesn't work for me. I liked Oklahoma when I went through there. I spent a few years kind of wishing I could live in Oklahoma. I am a homebody who spends a lot of time online. I need a few decent places to eat and shop, but I can kind of make my own fun. I mostly don't understand complaints that a city is "boring." I mean, if it has 500 people, okay, I can see that. I need a certain amount of city fabric. But I don't really get it when that gets said about big cities. Tulsa is 400k people.
- ummonk 8y agoI was in Oklahoma for several years of my childhood. Would not recommend for anyone who isn’t a white Christian. Granted, I was in Stillwater, but OKC and Tulsa are only a little better.
- gre 8y agoFor this to work, you have to live in Tulsa.
- dcow 8y agoRandom thought: why doesn’t the DNC use all their money to fund voter relocation programs? Surely the surplus of California and New York voters could move the needle if they were injected into smaller districts across the board.
- xfitm3 8y agoI can’t articulate how your comment makes me feel, but please no.
- dcow 8y agoI’m not advocating for it, I’m earnestly asking why they don’t.
- jonathankoren 8y agoNo need. People do it them themselves. "On The Media" recently did a segment on Colorado, and the migration from California. https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/california-nightmare https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/california-nightmare
- lj3 8y agoBecause they'd rather pay to relocate people from other countries.
- sureaboutthis 8y agoInterestingly enough, the topic of tonight's CBS TV show, "Young Sheldon", was this very topic of moving to Tulsa for work. At least it's an interesting coincidence to me. Not that I ever watch TV or anything.
- jaredhansen 8y agoIt seems like every dozen threads or so in the last year have at least one thread with bizarrely cantankerous / dismissive replies, with a few lonely voices saying when did you all get so unhappy? Tulsa's initiative here is really, really good. It doesn't matter if you want to live in Tulsa, specifically (fine! don't move!), and it doesn't matter if the incentive is high enough to make it Worth It to You Personally. What matters is that somebody has figured out that the dynamics of the Amazon HQ2 bidding war (roundly critiqued elsewhere, but I'll leave that for another thread) apply to individual remote workers as well --- in other words, potentially to basically everyone reading HN. Quit whining, and start celebrating. Get this in front of your own city. Show them that there's an opportunity. It has never been a better time to be in software.
- webkike 8y agoI’m not sure about everyone else, but I can point to a very specific date as to when we all became unhappy
- colordrops 8y agoPlease enlighten us as to what happened.
- inerte 8y agoOk I will bite. When?
- obiefernandez 8y agoNovember of last year.
- monocasa 8y agoIronically, Tulsa had a chance to be a thriving business center around the turn of the century. Unfortunately, the business owners were the wrong skin color as Tulsa was known as The Black Wall Street. In 1921, a white mob killed hundreds, and white police officers flew planes firebombing 35 blocks, in the first use of air bombing in anger on American soil. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot Part of me is happy to see that they're so desperate for business that they're pulling this.
- dionian 8y agoWhat city do you live in and do you judge them by what they did 100 years ago? Not sure why that is relevant.
- valtism 8y agoSomething like this doesn't just blow away in the dust. There are wounds caused by this that will run deep, affecting the community for generations.
- almost_usual 8y agoSo like Los Angeles?
- monocasa 8y agoWhen did LA kill hundreds and have their police firebomb 35 blocks with no consequences for those who took part?
- hrktb 8y agoAre you arguing that the people from that event 100 years ago either all had a change of heart and raised their kids in respect of other humans, or massively left Tulsa for whatever reason, despite their attachment to the town ? Because short of that, 100 years is roughly two or three generations, and that’s a short time to change the cultural composition of a town’s wealthy layer.
- magd 8y agoTulsa native here. Don't do it unless you want to be surrounded by religious nut jobs.
- atomical 8y agoCheck out any news article posted here on obesity and health. It's full of smart people that have embraced psuedoscience.
- NoblePublius 8y agoNo direct flights from SF or NYC :(
- adictator 8y agoIf the city is renamed to Tulsi, then I'll be among the first to move in there.
- durkie 8y agoyou'd be real close to one of tulsa's best features: https://www.youtube.com/svseeker https://www.youtube.com/svseeker -- dude's building a giant scientific research boat in his front yard and will host just about anyone that wants to help him work on it. i've been out there twice and it's awesome!
- joeax 8y agoI've been working remote for 7 years, more recently as a software developer consultant. I showed this to my wife about two hours ago and she got really excited. Neither of us like where we are living now, and have been eyeing a relocation to Texas, notably Austin or possibly Dallas. But this is definitely worth a look, based on what we've seen so far. I'm curious if others in the tech crowd are considering the same. If you are please post your story. It would be encouraging to see other interested this offer. Heck we could be neighbors.
- itomato 8y agoYour life in Dallas would be so much richer.
- ramanujank 8y agoAustin, TX is an amazing place to be. An oasis in the desert, if you asked me.
- yardie 8y agoJust got back from Austin and Dallas. Your options are going to be a lot deeper in both of them. And if you have a family, nothing in OK, sounds very encouraging on the education front.
- joeax 8y agoI don't disagree, as I've been to both places in the past year scoping it out. But what has me intrigued about Tulsa is how far they are going to improve the area. Let's assume this experiment works, and they draw 200 high-wage tech and creative class workers to the area. Over time, a community forms, startups are launched, and investments are drawn to the area. Quality of life improves, and it draws more of these workers and there's a sort of multiplier effect that transforms the area. IMO Dallas and/or Austin would be a no-brainer but the cost of living has shot up dramatically in the past few years. But in the end, I guess you get what you pay for.
- axaxs 8y agoPosted on the sister thread... I think this is a really smart move, but not enough. Most remote employees, well, the ones they want to attract, make good money. 10k frankly isn't much, especially to uproot and move. Tulsa isn't really near anything, nor does it have a fallback job market. Speaking for myself, maybe 30k or a free small house could convince me, not 10k and a possibly discounted apartment...
- scruple 8y agoYeah. The $10k is essentially a relocation package for anyone with a family and a house. Clearly those folks are not the target audience, sadly.
- jgelsey 8y agoIf Tulsa would just abandon its racism and religious bigotry I bet they'd attract a lot more folks than this offer will.
- surfmike 8y agoFunny enough, the residents of my SF peninsula town (San Carlos, but most others have the same attitude) have had enough of people moving here and want the flow to stop. Glad to see this initiative by Tulsa.
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- burtonator 8y agoI'd love to have some Amazon-style incentives for my remote company to build an "office" in Tulsa. I've been thinking of a hybrid remote work environment where we just have lots of remote workers that live near each other and can co-work say 2-3x per week - meetup for coffee or have mini hackathons say 1-2x per quarter.
- chrissnell 8y agoI'm saddened by all of the negativity in these comments. So many people falling back on the old stereotypes of the South and Midwest, people who have clearly not spent time in these places. I live in a small city in Kansas and have worked remotely for SFBA tech companies for over 10 years. I moved here from the Seattle area. I can tell you that life is amazing when you make Bay Area money and live in a small Midwestern city. You can build a beautiful, new house with lots of space and spend far less than rent on a SF 1 bedroom apartment. You can walk to work--drivers are friendly out here--at a coworking facility (we have two in my little town alone) and eat lunch for less than $10 no problemo. You can find almost anything you need locally and if you can't find it here, you'll have plenty of spare cash to book a five-star hotel room in the big city for the weekend and go shopping. People are super friendly and contrary to what so many of you mistakenly believe, not judgmental. Gay couples live openly and happpily here. I've never met a racist or seen anything racist; indeed, nearly half of the houses on my block here in the affluent side of town are either black or mixed-race families. Kids play in the streets together every day and they can walk to the bus stop without the parents worrying about an Uber driver running them over. I hope that someone here takes Kaiser/Tulsa up on their offer and reports back. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
- komali2 8y agoIt's gotta be judged city to city. Charleston, south Carolina is chock full of straight Jim crow racism, and I'd hazard to say that's the majority there. It's not fair to apply that stereotype to Tulsa without going there and checking it out, but I think it's a reasonable concern.
- fmajid 8y agoStill way cheaper than what New York and Virginia are paying for HQ2
- farnerup 8y agoIf you do move there, don't talk to any girls at the motel on your way home, or you may never never never go home again.
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