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"that there are sacrifices is given, now we must decide who", which guarantees divisiveness, one could say "let us make choices as a society which mean that no
by pg_bot 8y ago
"that there are sacrifices is given, now we must decide who", which guarantees divisiveness, one could say "let us make choices as a society which mean that no person a priori need be sacrificed."
Your first quote describes reality, your second is nonsense. If there were an outcome where everyone's needs are met and nothing need be sacrificed, there would be no opposition to the changes. Every decision comes at a cost, we don't have unlimited resources so we should reach for tools that attempt to maximize what we are willing to spend. If you believe that no one needs to sacrifice in order to solve society's problems, you are living in a fantasy.
- joe_the_user 8y agoYour first quote describes reality, your second is nonsense. If there were an outcome where everyone's needs are met and nothing need be sacrificed, there would be no opposition to the changes. Basic income is system that would approximately guarantee all people's basic needs are met yet there is certainly opposition to it.
- killjoywashere 8y agoYour proposals sound to me like someone going to a casino with a surefire winning strategy assuming they have more money than the house. Please explain (or cite a source that does) how you roll out a basic income in a way that doesn't create new schemes that leave more money on the table to be hoovered up by the oligarchic corporations. I strongly biased to believe that if you add resources arbitrarily to a human society, then a segment of the population will, will, find a way to capture them.
- joe_the_user 8y agoI am not even a proponent of basic income. The point is that in policy today, "everyone's needs will be met" isn't an automatically a winning argument.
- jacobush 8y agoOff topic, but as long as I trust the state, I trust basic income. I put different amount of faith in different states, but not very much in any state. Not in the long run. The problem is, the state is going to dictate more and more conditions for receiving that income. Couple it with oligarchic interests and no good can come of it. Problem is, I don't see much good coming from our current systems either, subverted as we speak.