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A consulting company I worked for fired a sales guy who basically built it with the two co-owners. He basically found all the clients to place developers with a
by madeuptempacct 8y ago
A consulting company I worked for fired a sales guy who basically built it with the two co-owners. He basically found all the clients to place developers with and found / interviewed a bunch of devs. Then the company grew and they hired a fancy Ivy League / Wallstreet experience guy in his place.
They gave the original guy zero warning. Kind of messed up.
- jarsin 8y agoI've seen very similar situations. My theory is it's because we have glorified assholes like steve jobs and every executive thinks they are the next jobs. There are no negative consequences for screwing over employees.
- stronglikedan 8y agoAs well, there are no negative consequences for an employee screwing over their company, so the balance of power remains.
- IshKebab 8y agoYeah they can get fired.
- anon4242 8y agoNot sure whether legally binding but many of the contracts I've been given as an employee has included at least some paragraph about damages in case my actions as employee hurts the company (e.g. disclosing trade secrets, poaching employees, etc).
- PhasmaFelis 8y agoNot sure if this is sarcasm or not.
- bartread 8y agoI'm not so sure. Probably depends on multiple factors such as size of local economy, how many similar employers are in an area, how big the potential hiring pool is, but word gets around. One consequence is you can struggle to hire, at least for a while. Very much an intangible though.
- jarsin 8y agoThe word has been out that Amazon is a potentially very bad place to work (depending on team) for many years now. While I'm sure they can no longer hire some people due to their reputation it has not stopped droves of engineers desperate to get in there. A former employer of mine that is nowhere near Amazon success level has tons of horrible glass door reviews calling out the senior managers yet still people join.
- geebee 8y agoThat is kinda messed up, though I’d want to know more about his exit terms.
- hinkley 8y agoThe conversations I've heard on this topic seem to agree that they pull the lever quickly on sales people because they don't want the guy copying all of his contacts and trying to poach customers/sabotage the company. But I can't see how that would work because only the really bad salespeople don't already know to have their own contact list. Once you've seen it happen to someone else or heck watched certain movies, you should know better.
- closetohome 8y agoAlso if your company's only assets are some sales leads, you're already not doing great.
- mertd 8y agoIf you don't have them, you're almost certainly not doing great
- bduerst 8y agoThis happens all the time. In a past company I worked at, I had test email accounts in the CRM, and those fake-contact email accounts would receive blast messages from reps who were now working at competing companies. I always reported it, but damn, at least have the foresight to scrub your list of stolen accounts for contacts that have the last name "TEST". Pretty obvious where you got the list from if you don't.
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- meko 8y ago> They gave the original guy zero warning. Kind of messed up. The capitalism horror stories I read every day on this website are astonishing and depressing.
- lurcio 8y agoDo you think people/organisations couldawouldashoulda operate any better under any other paradigm?
- varjag 8y agoIf he was a cofounder and board member I wonder how "zero warning" is even possible.
- gspetr 8y agoThis anecdote further exacerbates the problem with the original article. The lessons learned should not be: "CEOs need to do this, this, and that" and neither should it be "For employees, how you handle change will affect the trajectory of your career and possibly your net worth" CEOs don't _need_ to do anything. They don't owe you anything. They can run the company into the ground for all we care, what matters is whether you have the power or not. What it should be is this: "If you do not have power, you need to plan for the case when you will get screwed". He who fails to plan, plans to fail. Power is the degree to which a person has control over their own circumstances. Power is the degree to which we control the directions of our lives.