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I think the general problem behind issues like these are that the public has repeatedly been over and over deceived by autoritative voices - might it be experts
by 1337biz 8y ago
I think the general problem behind issues like these are that the public has repeatedly been over and over deceived by autoritative voices - might it be experts, academics or government positions.
As a consequence, when people have the gut feeling that something might be off many trust that feeling over whatever truth is them presented.
Also: >> (Or, as a friend put it about politics, "If the racists think the candidate is a racist, the candidate is probably a racist".)
is just amazingly simple minded. By the same logic all dogs are Nazis just because Hitler's dog (probably) loved him and Hitler was a Nazi after all.
- FeteCommuniste 8y agoIt would be the same logic if Hitler’s dog loved him for being a Nazi (killing Jews, conquering Europe), rather than because of petting and food and playtime.
- 1337biz 8y agoThanks for understanding my point. Hitler's dog loved him because the dog cared about food and getting petted. The bad elements were not the main priority of the dog. Just caring about one thing and not caring about the other does not make the dog a Nazi. Even more ridiculous, in the logic of OP, all other dogs who think this is behavior is okay, Nazi dogs.
- josefresco 8y ago> The bad elements were not the main priority of the dog. The dog has no concept of "the bad elements".
- Dylan16807 8y ago> caring about one thing and not caring about the other > in the logic of OP, all other dogs who think this is behavior is okay No. The OP did not talk about approval. They talked about specifically thinking the candidate is racist.
- beat 8y agoAs the OP, the logic goes like this... "I'm a racist. And I like Candidate X because I believe Candidate X is also a racist, based on the things Candidate X says". Now, it's possible that Candidate X is not a racist. But if the racists are confused about it, maybe Candidate X needs to be more clear. Because the racists look at Candidate Y and "We hate Candidate Y, because they're opposed to our beliefs". No chance of misunderstandings there. Now, Candidate X will certainly have other supporters saying "We don't believe Candidate X is a racist", but I look at them sidelong and say "Don't listen to me, listen to the racists".
- WhatIsDukkha 8y agoI'm sorry what? A dog isn't a reasoning human being. Using the dog, this way, in the argument is irrelevant and distracting to any of the issues. I think we can say that EVERY person around Hitler was in fact a bad person regardless of whether they loved dogs. It may be that people used fallacious reasoning to justify their own support of Hitler (ignoring his other qualities conveniently) for such reasons as "he likes dogs therefore he is a good person". "I like X because he agrees with me in this narrow way therefore I'll support X doing terrible terrible things but justify it with this narrow reason." That's a bad person supporting a bad person.
- 1337biz 8y agoAlright, let's make it about humans: Person A prefers apple over oranges and potatoes over tomatoes. Person B prefers also potatoes over tomatoes but does not care about apple or oranges. Original poster now argues that it is okay for Person C to say Person B is an oranges hater, just because Person B prefers potatoes. Replace Person A/B/C with your favorite groups of adversaries.
- beat 8y agoI don't think that's actually the same logic at all.