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> People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas without algae. The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish. EPA and DHA can be bought in veg

> People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas without algae. The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish. EPA and DHA can be bought in vegan form. EPA and DHA are not even considered as essential fatty acids. Unlike ALA and LA. I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. If you have one, please link it. I would like to know. > And linseed oil consumption is correlated with an increase in all cause mortality. Link please. > Or switching from perfectly safe saturated fats to "heart healthy" trans fats even though it increases mortality. What are you talking about ? Are yout talking about margerine and butter ? But I agree that many so called experts are not experts. Many organizations and in particular government organizations (e.g. EPA and FDA in the USA) affected by politicians are very prone to corruption and pleasing corrupting lobby groups like the food industry and the military industry and the fossil fuel industry. But some truth is known in 2018. https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDlnwypJFfMYH8Vm https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDln...

agsdfgsd 8y ago
>The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to, which was wondering aloud about human adaptation to the availability of fish. The availability of algae is the same as the availability of fish. >I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. Have you seen one that shows it is? Because there are none. >Link please. I can't find the original study, just people talking about it. They gave up on the original premise as the linseed oil was killing people instead of making them healthy, so they ended up reporting on smoking and blood pressure. https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause-death-men-examined-medical-check-ups-1964#reference-6 https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause... >But some truth is known in 2018. But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. We are not like carnivores. We are, 100% without any question, omnivores. Read literally any text on mammology, there is no debate, no controversy, no ambiguity. Poor studies like the adventist study vegan advocates like to cite may show benefits when they don't control for anything else. But properly defined and conducted trials show veganism is not associated with lower mortality: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/
- lustysocietyorg 8y ago
  > But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to Yes it is. Remember: >>> So is it possible some people don't really need fish oil for well-being? Evolution might have rendered eating fish useless for these people. > But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. Yes we can it fresh meat and digest it. Even cows can digest milk and meat to some degree; remember the mad cow disease. The human body works best with vegan food as main food or only vegan food in 2018 with modern vitamin supplements. This is a fact. Regarding vitamin B12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavI_FnIrh4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavI_FnIrh4 and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-Tyz9vI6Q2QLxyFtMUjltf https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-Tyz9vI6Q2... I am sure you have not watched the videos because otherwise your would reply differently. Again, human physiology that you can not deny or call a lie: https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXj76A9hI-o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXj76A9hI-o By far most humans do not like and do not eat raw meat. Most humans do not even like predigested meat in the form of cooked meat or grilled meat without further additions like salt and spices and other plant based food for the taste.
  - agsdfgsd 8y ago
    >Yes it is. No it is not, read the context you intentionally cut out: "Quite a large population in the the world lives at place where fishes aren't available". >The human body works best with vegan food as main food or only vegan food in 2018 with modern vitamin supplements There is no evidence to support your assertion. The fact that vitamin supplements are required in order to avoid dying is incontrovertible evidence that humans are not herbivores. Our digestive tract, dentition, and enzyme production are those of an omnivore. We have absolutely no characteristics of herbivores. >Even cows can digest milk and meat to some degree All mammals can digest milk, that is why all mammals produce milk. That has nothing to do with your claim. Meat fed to cattle is pre-digested in order to allow them to get some energy value from it. They can not digest it normally. >Again, human physiology that you can not deny or call a lie: It is a bunch of lies and deliberate nonsense. Claws do not define diet, that is a completely irrelevant characteristic to focus on. Dogs are not omnivores they are carnivores. Our closest primate relatives are omnivores just like us, not herbivores. Notice how you keep referencing vegan activists spouting nonsense on blogs and videos? That is not evidence. There is a reason every biologist in the US has read this book rather than watch vegan youtube videos: https://www.amazon.ca/Mammalogy-Adaptation-Diversity-George-Feldhamer/dp/0801886953 https://www.amazon.ca/Mammalogy-Adaptation-Diversity-George-... >Most humans do not even like predigested meat in the form of cooked meat or grilled meat without further additions like salt and spices and other plant based food for the taste. And your basis for this claim is that the vast majority of the population of earth consumes meat all the time? If lots of people choose to add additional flavorings to something they eat, then that means it isn't part of their natural diet? By that definition, the natural diet of humans is absolutely nothing, not even water.

agsdfgsd 8y ago

>The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to, which was wondering aloud about human adaptation to the availability of fish. The availability of algae is the same as the availability of fish. >I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. Have you seen one that shows it is? Because there are none. >Link please. I can't find the original study, just people talking about it. They gave up on the original premise as the linseed oil was killing people instead of making them healthy, so they ended up reporting on smoking and blood pressure. https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause-death-men-examined-medical-check-ups-1964#reference-6 https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause... >But some truth is known in 2018. But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. We are not like carnivores. We are, 100% without any question, omnivores. Read literally any text on mammology, there is no debate, no controversy, no ambiguity. Poor studies like the adventist study vegan advocates like to cite may show benefits when they don't control for anything else. But properly defined and conducted trials show veganism is not associated with lower mortality: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/

lustysocietyorg 8y ago
> But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to Yes it is. Remember: >>> So is it possible some people don't really need fish oil for well-being? Evolution might have rendered eating fish useless for these people. > But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. Yes we can it fresh meat and digest it. Even cows can digest milk and meat to some degree; remember the mad cow disease. The human body works best with vegan food as main food or only vegan food in 2018 with modern vitamin supplements. This is a fact. Regarding vitamin B12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavI_FnIrh4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavI_FnIrh4 and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-Tyz9vI6Q2QLxyFtMUjltf https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-Tyz9vI6Q2... I am sure you have not watched the videos because otherwise your would reply differently. Again, human physiology that you can not deny or call a lie: https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXj76A9hI-o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXj76A9hI-o By far most humans do not like and do not eat raw meat. Most humans do not even like predigested meat in the form of cooked meat or grilled meat without further additions like salt and spices and other plant based food for the taste.
- agsdfgsd 8y ago
  >Yes it is. No it is not, read the context you intentionally cut out: "Quite a large population in the the world lives at place where fishes aren't available". >The human body works best with vegan food as main food or only vegan food in 2018 with modern vitamin supplements There is no evidence to support your assertion. The fact that vitamin supplements are required in order to avoid dying is incontrovertible evidence that humans are not herbivores. Our digestive tract, dentition, and enzyme production are those of an omnivore. We have absolutely no characteristics of herbivores. >Even cows can digest milk and meat to some degree All mammals can digest milk, that is why all mammals produce milk. That has nothing to do with your claim. Meat fed to cattle is pre-digested in order to allow them to get some energy value from it. They can not digest it normally. >Again, human physiology that you can not deny or call a lie: It is a bunch of lies and deliberate nonsense. Claws do not define diet, that is a completely irrelevant characteristic to focus on. Dogs are not omnivores they are carnivores. Our closest primate relatives are omnivores just like us, not herbivores. Notice how you keep referencing vegan activists spouting nonsense on blogs and videos? That is not evidence. There is a reason every biologist in the US has read this book rather than watch vegan youtube videos: https://www.amazon.ca/Mammalogy-Adaptation-Diversity-George-Feldhamer/dp/0801886953 https://www.amazon.ca/Mammalogy-Adaptation-Diversity-George-... >Most humans do not even like predigested meat in the form of cooked meat or grilled meat without further additions like salt and spices and other plant based food for the taste. And your basis for this claim is that the vast majority of the population of earth consumes meat all the time? If lots of people choose to add additional flavorings to something they eat, then that means it isn't part of their natural diet? By that definition, the natural diet of humans is absolutely nothing, not even water.