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>Fish oil is not needed at all. The EPA and DHA in fish was initially produced by algae anyway People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas witho

>Fish oil is not needed at all. The EPA and DHA in fish was initially produced by algae anyway People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas without algae. >The 2 essential fatty acids are It is worth noting that there is basically no evidence that those 2 fatty acids are actually essential. A single study done in the 1930s is the basis for that belief. A study in which rats fed no fat got symptoms we now would consider indicative of vitamin B6 deficiency. This study was done prior to the discovery of vitamin B6. Although adding "essential" omega 6 fatty acids alleviated the rat's symptoms, later studies were able to alleviate the symptoms using vitamin B6 while the rats continued to receive absolutely no fats. >Linseed oil (flaxseed oil) is a good provider of essential fatty acids And linseed oil consumption is correlated with an increase in all cause mortality. >Experts recommend a vegan diet against heart disease and cancer. Experts recommend all sorts of things that contradict evidence. Like taking statins even though they increase mortality. Or switching from perfectly safe saturated fats to "heart healthy" trans fats even though it increases mortality. Or once trans fats were too obviously bad they simply changed their recommendation to "polyunsaturated fats" which are also correlated with increased mortality.

lustysocietyorg 8y ago
> People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas without algae. The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish. EPA and DHA can be bought in vegan form. EPA and DHA are not even considered as essential fatty acids. Unlike ALA and LA. I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. If you have one, please link it. I would like to know. > And linseed oil consumption is correlated with an increase in all cause mortality. Link please. > Or switching from perfectly safe saturated fats to "heart healthy" trans fats even though it increases mortality. What are you talking about ? Are yout talking about margerine and butter ? But I agree that many so called experts are not experts. Many organizations and in particular government organizations (e.g. EPA and FDA in the USA) affected by politicians are very prone to corruption and pleasing corrupting lobby groups like the food industry and the military industry and the fossil fuel industry. But some truth is known in 2018. https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDlnwypJFfMYH8Vm https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDln...
- agsdfgsd 8y ago
  >The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to, which was wondering aloud about human adaptation to the availability of fish. The availability of algae is the same as the availability of fish. >I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. Have you seen one that shows it is? Because there are none. >Link please. I can't find the original study, just people talking about it. They gave up on the original premise as the linseed oil was killing people instead of making them healthy, so they ended up reporting on smoking and blood pressure. https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause-death-men-examined-medical-check-ups-1964#reference-6 https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause... >But some truth is known in 2018. But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. We are not like carnivores. We are, 100% without any question, omnivores. Read literally any text on mammology, there is no debate, no controversy, no ambiguity. Poor studies like the adventist study vegan advocates like to cite may show benefits when they don't control for anything else. But properly defined and conducted trials show veganism is not associated with lower mortality: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/
  - lustysocietyorg 8y ago
    > But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to Yes it is. Remember: >>> So is it possible some people don't really need fish oil for well-being? Evolution might have rendered eating fish useless for these people. > But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. Yes we can it fresh meat and digest it. Even cows can digest milk and meat to some degree; remember the mad cow disease. The human body works best with vegan food as main food or only vegan food in 2018 with modern vitamin supplements. This is a fact. Regarding vitamin B12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavI_FnIrh4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavI_FnIrh4 and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-Tyz9vI6Q2QLxyFtMUjltf https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-Tyz9vI6Q2... I am sure you have not watched the videos because otherwise your would reply differently. Again, human physiology that you can not deny or call a lie: https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXj76A9hI-o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXj76A9hI-o By far most humans do not like and do not eat raw meat. Most humans do not even like predigested meat in the form of cooked meat or grilled meat without further additions like salt and spices and other plant based food for the taste.

lustysocietyorg 8y ago

> People who lived in areas without fish also lived in areas without algae. The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish. EPA and DHA can be bought in vegan form. EPA and DHA are not even considered as essential fatty acids. Unlike ALA and LA. I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. If you have one, please link it. I would like to know. > And linseed oil consumption is correlated with an increase in all cause mortality. Link please. > Or switching from perfectly safe saturated fats to "heart healthy" trans fats even though it increases mortality. What are you talking about ? Are yout talking about margerine and butter ? But I agree that many so called experts are not experts. Many organizations and in particular government organizations (e.g. EPA and FDA in the USA) affected by politicians are very prone to corruption and pleasing corrupting lobby groups like the food industry and the military industry and the fossil fuel industry. But some truth is known in 2018. https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl8zNztsoGg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCMWctmCCqU&t=432 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDlnwypJFfMYH8Vm https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLrSGiXTX6Im72KTZRDln...

agsdfgsd 8y ago
>The point is that EPA and DHA is not made by fish But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to, which was wondering aloud about human adaptation to the availability of fish. The availability of algae is the same as the availability of fish. >I have not seen any study what shows that ALA and LA are not essential. Have you seen one that shows it is? Because there are none. >Link please. I can't find the original study, just people talking about it. They gave up on the original premise as the linseed oil was killing people instead of making them healthy, so they ended up reporting on smoking and blood pressure. https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause-death-men-examined-medical-check-ups-1964#reference-6 https://tidsskriftet.no/en/2012/01/life-expectancy-and-cause... >But some truth is known in 2018. But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. We are not like carnivores. We are, 100% without any question, omnivores. Read literally any text on mammology, there is no debate, no controversy, no ambiguity. Poor studies like the adventist study vegan advocates like to cite may show benefits when they don't control for anything else. But properly defined and conducted trials show veganism is not associated with lower mortality: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/
- lustysocietyorg 8y ago
  > But that point is not relevant to the post you replied to Yes it is. Remember: >>> So is it possible some people don't really need fish oil for well-being? Evolution might have rendered eating fish useless for these people. > But people with agendas lying on their blogs or youtube isn't truth. Pretending carnivores are omnivores and then saying "look we're not like omnivores" is just deliberate dishonesty. Yes we can it fresh meat and digest it. Even cows can digest milk and meat to some degree; remember the mad cow disease. The human body works best with vegan food as main food or only vegan food in 2018 with modern vitamin supplements. This is a fact. Regarding vitamin B12: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavI_FnIrh4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cavI_FnIrh4 and https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-Tyz9vI6Q2QLxyFtMUjltf https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5TLzNi5fYd-Tyz9vI6Q2... I am sure you have not watched the videos because otherwise your would reply differently. Again, human physiology that you can not deny or call a lie: https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://livinontheveg.com/omnivore-or-herbivore/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXj76A9hI-o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXj76A9hI-o By far most humans do not like and do not eat raw meat. Most humans do not even like predigested meat in the form of cooked meat or grilled meat without further additions like salt and spices and other plant based food for the taste.